"Britain is a nation of mixed race mongrels"

What sort of "Africans"? There are hundreds of different ethnic identities throughout the African continent and within the individual countries. Please don't tell me you're some kind of latter-day Cecil Rhodes who thinks all "Africans" are "black"...

Anyway, you're very obviously trying to corral me into agreeing that "it's ok for non-white people to have a national identity but when white people do it in the BNP it's 'racist'". I shouldn't have to expressly disagree with that childish logic, but since you raise it:

It would be racist if African countries based their immigration policy on race; it wouldn't if they did it the basis of civic nationalism. It's pretty straightforward really. South Africa's policy on rights for one race, no rights for others was racist policy, for example.

Most Africans are black though, why are all African-Americans black if Africa isn't a predominantly black continent? I'm aware of countries like Egypt if it helps.

I don't agree with your suggestion that intention is more important than the action itself. If Africans are at liberty to defend the borders as you suggest then that is their right so your accusations of racism are meaningless. If two countries adopt the exact same strict immigration policy but one does so to protect an indigenous culture while the other just wants to keep out foreigners how can we objectively say that one is more racist than the other? Their policies are identical!

Once again the left have bemused me with their logic.

Firstly don't compare the rest of the country with London , London is Multi-cultural,
but there's quite a lot of the country that isn't . How about calling the Africans and Asians a bunch of mongrels and see the retorts you get, I owe nobody an explanation for my heritage, and if indeed it all started from Afrca they haven't got a lot to show for the length of time they've been around, no wonder they've got a chip on their shoulder as big as a planet about white people being supremist.!

Most Africans are black though, why are all African-Americans black if Africa isn't a predominantly black continent? I'm aware of countries like Egypt if it helps.

I don't agree with your suggestion that intention is more important than the action itself. If Africans are at liberty to defend the borders as you suggest then that is their right so your accusations of racism are meaningless. If two countries adopt the exact same strict immigration policy but one does so to protect an indigenous culture while the other just wants to keep out foreigners how can we objectively say that one is more racist than the other? Their policies are identical!

Once again the left have bemused me with their logic.

I distinguish between ethnicity and nationality. I think nationality is a purely legal thing. For example, if your nationality is Russian that means that you have a Russian passport, that other legal entities of the same kind (other nation states) recognise your passport and the legitimacy of the issuing authority and so on.

Ethnicity however is something cultural or genetic (whether it is the one rather than the other is controversial and in any case irrelevant to my distinction). If the nation state of Russia collapsed tomorrow, there would be no Russian nationals but there would still be ethnic Russians. Same with the Irish and the Swedes.

Certain identities like Russian or Irish or Swedish can denote ethnicity or nationality or both. British, American, Australian, Canadian are not ethnic identities but they are national identities.

You may be ethnically English (or mixed) and your nationality may be American. You may be ethnically Jewish and your nationality British.

well, i am mixed but britain is not a race of mongrels. in terms of ethnicity britain has hardly changed in the past 14,000 years up until recently.

most british people can trace their ancestry back to the first settlers from the ice age, 14,000 years ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0719_050719_britishgene.html

Britain has been subject to waves of immigration and settlement for thousands of years which have significantly affected our heredity. Normans, Romans (who came from all over Europe and North Africa, not just Rome), Vikings, Anglo-Saxons... and those are just the documented ones. There were many more in prehistory.

Whilst our roots are in the migrating Continental hunter-gatherers of the Mesolithic, many more incoming groups have contributed to the British gene pool since then.

It always makes me laugh when people claim to be "white Anglo-Saxon" and think this means that they're "pure" in some way. Anglo-Saxons were immigrants from Denmark and the Low Countries.

You shouldn't talk about logic: "African-Americans are black, therefore Africans must be black". Brilliant.

You're very confused. It's not the same policy to limit immigration based on civic nationalist values as limiting it based on race. An immigration policy based on race discriminates by definition based on race. Hence it's racist.

And I hope you're not including me in "the left". I am not "the left" or "left".

I understand the principle behind this and the difference between ethnicity and nationality. But how can you be ethnically Russian but not ethnically British?

I think he's saying that "British" isn't an ethnicity itself, but a collection of ethnicities (English, Scottish, Welsh).

Personally I think ethnicities can be hierarchical. British is an ethnicity and English is an ethnicity within the British one.

If being British isn't an ethnicity but instead a collection of ethnicities (you mention three of them) then how on earth can being Russian be an ethnicity? Russia is a humungous country with hundreds and hundreds of ethnicities.

Yes. What's wrong with Europeans migrating to Africa?

I am Chinese and British as well. It does not matter to be honest.

Why on earth would Europeans migrate to Africa? There is only strife, lack of Infrastructure, no jobs , no welfare lots of corruption the list is endless, unless you want to go on safari and you have loads of money it's not an option! Are you serious or was that a joke?

Sadly the weight of history is supporting their general assumption.

Also if you tell African and Asian people they are mongrels they are likely to acknowledge it. Mixed race people are often deemed the most attractive in East Asia, for example.

I'm mixed race. If that makes me a mongrel then that's what I am. Who gives a ****?

People who's identity is mobilised around their 'race' are a bit daft in my view. And I think this with all 'races'.

Culture, I understand. Race, I don't.


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interestiing, what if mixed race people in south east Asia were deemed " unattractive" or lacking in some way would you be so keen to adopt the
" mongrel " label ?

I didn't say I was keen to adopt it; I said I accept it. It wouldn't make a difference to me. I don't really care how people label me.


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Why on earth would Europeans migrate to Africa? There is only strife, lack of Infrastructure, no jobs , no welfare lots of corruption the list is endless, unless you want to go on safari and you have loads of money it's not an option! Are you serious or was that a joke?