North Dakota has banned abortions

I see you all the time on anti-feminism threads. You have no trust in women. Don't even go there.

I see you all the time on anti-feminism threads. You have no trust in women. Don't even go there.

That there are still pro-life people around is baffling to me. I can't believe a state still has the power to do such a thing.

(Although one thing I do disagree with is the idea women who have a child a man expressively did not should still expect him to pay child support if he's never going to be involved in their life. Perhaps they should introduce some form or some sort sorting this issue out...)

Because modern feminism is a joke.

No, I obviously don't and I have quite blatant reasons! This one being an obvious example! Why the hell should I trust women who say to men don't to pay for a child for the rest of your life? Don't have sex! And then go and say women should have a choice as to wether or not have the child? Seriously you would be pretty pissed off if you was the one born with the penis with much less right parental and prenatal rights than someone who has the complete control over wether or not to abort the child!

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Thank you, because you actually get it!!

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Calm the **** down. Seriously, you're making my internal reading voice add "hysterical" into every message you send.

Why should a man have control over what lives in a woman's uterus? Please explain that. Preferrably without exclamation marks.

Did I say that? No! I did not! She has the choice to abort so he should have the choice to not be involved!

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What if he stated that he did not want to be involved at the stage when she could abort? Does his choices not count? No? Anyhow, by reading this thread I've lost a lot of trust that I used to have in women.

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Look, can't you see that if a child has been born, it is in the best interests of the kid to have both parents financially support them? That kid has a right to have the best chance in life, and only child support from both parents can help ensure that.

I don't care about the child do I? I had absolutely no say in wether or not I had it! So why should I have to pay a penny? Your a disgracful chauvinist!

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They do count, but the woman's views counts more with regards to the foetus (plainly and simply because she is biologically the one who has to deal with it) up until the point when the baby is viable. After this, the baby can exist outside the mother (it isn't biologically dependent on the mother anymore) and that's why it's illegal for abortions to happen at this stage. This is when the child starts coming first.

Believe me, I can understand your view. I just don't see any fair way to deal with it. Either the baby suffers or the father does in this situation, and I just think that ultimately the child is more important.

I'm not trying to put women first, as you think I'm doing. I'm trying to see what's the fairest thing to do overall in this situation. I hope you can at least see whereabouts where I am coming from.

Your grammar is disgraceful...

It should not matter whether (yes, there is an "h", pay attention) you care for the child or not. If you have created a life, whether or not you wanted it, you should financially support it because otherwise you are causing an innocent person to suffer.

I am not a chauvinist, you however are nearly illiterate.

Solution: Males must opt-in to fatherhood and paying child maintenance. The pregnant female must contact the father/s by x week in the pregnancy (say a month before the last abortion point?) to opt-in to fatherhood and child maintenance. If he does (and signs a witnessed form for legality) he's paying child maintenance for 18 years. If not, perhaps the female may consider getting an abortion if she's not able to support a child financially? If the female does'nt contact the male, that's an opt-out.

There probably are problems here but I think it would be a lot fairer between the parents

Oh no! I missed out a letter, pedantic much? So you can get rid of the child at any time, if you are pro choice for women why are you not pro choice for men? Seriously, your argument on this is incompetent! Misandric reasoning galore!



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Solution: Males must opt-in to fatherhood and paying child maintenance. The pregnant female must contact the father/s by x week in the pregnancy (say a month before the last abortion point?) to opt-in to fatherhood and child maintenance. If he does (and signs a witnessed form for legality) he's paying child maintenance for 18 years. If not, perhaps the female may consider getting an abortion if she's not able to support a child financially? If the female does'nt contact the male, that's an opt-out.

There probably are problems here but I think it would be a lot fairer between the parents

This! Even a simpleton could understand this is ethical to both genders!

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You clearly are either trolling, or deliberately choosing to not read my responses properly.

I am pro-choice "for women", as you put it, because a man should not be able to force a woman to either have a child or abort a child, because that's her womb, not his.

I am not pro-choice for men on the subject of abortion because that would give them rights over someone else's body.

I am not pro-choice for men deciding when to pay child support because it is best for the child if both parents contribute financially to it's upkeep and wellbeing. The child is completely innocent and does not deserve to suffer in order to appease the man's bank account.