Hunting:Your views?

Because who on Earth opposes caring about animals?

What a laughable thing to say. I think you will notice that Miser, who agreed with my post, is male, as are many other individuals in this thread who are against hunting.

Furthermore, I have arrived at the conclusion that it is immoral to kill animals through a process of rationalisation and reason. I do not believe such processes to be gender-specific.

Yes, I am a vegetarian.

First of all I'd like to say that if you ask for "your views" then you should expect mainly answers from the opposite of what you've proposed (at least at the start of a thread)

and therefore you've effectively invited people to bash on your beliefs.

You've not been very accepting of the fact that other people may have views that differ from yours sometimes dismissing them on dubious grounds. (the way you've used "evolution" and "natural" for example)

Secondly as someone who eats meat and goes fishing (because I enjoy it, not because I need the food) it seems rather strange to me to enjoy the actual killing. I do not have a problem with hunting, even for sport. I also understand it can be exciting to stalk an animal and even shooting it, as with most things that are technically difficult it's nice to pull it off.

However to then not use the animal you have killed is in my opinion a lack of respect, and the actual enjoyment of the kill and or suffering is something I think is quite sad.

In my opinion any loss of life by itself is a sad thing. I also don't have a problem with posing with the animal as long as the grin is not due to having killed (again it seems rather strange to smile at a loss of life in my opinion) but rather due to the technical/physical challenges that have been overcome.

Completely agree with this, people who go "ewwwww" when it comes up in conversation that the steak they're eating used to be alive annoy me.

I don't agree with it whatsoever. It's cruel and pointless. What bugs me about humans is that they seem to think animals are there for the taking. They don't believe that they have feelings. Anyone who has a pet will know that they get happy, excited, scared and sad just like us. It's really cowardly to inflict that pain onto an animal for your own fun and I find the pictures disgusting to be honest.

Cruel to be honest. Sorry, but I find the pictures disgusting. I genuinely cannot understand how anyone can get their kicks out of killing animals! Yes, I am a vegetarian. No, I don't wear leather or anything of the kind. I also agree with what mf2004 above just said- you asked for peoples' views, yet you instantly dismiss the opinions of those of us who find it wrong.

Its understandable from a traditional/cultural or survival perspective. However, if you're doing it purely for the 'thrill' or money then it's selfish.

I don't agree with it whatsoever. It's cruel and pointless. What bugs me about humans is that they seem to think animals are there for the taking. They don't believe that they have feelings. Anyone who has a pet will know that they get happy, excited, scared and sad just like us. It's really cowardly to inflict that pain onto an animal for your own fun and I find the pictures disgusting to be honest.

I said most, not all.
Don't strawman my statement, it's intecltually dishonest.
And that's bad crack my friend.

I arrived at the oposite conclusion through a process of rationalisation and reason.
I do not beleive such process to be gender-specific, but I have noticed personally a huge bias in the trend.


Good for you!

I did not 'strawman' your statement. I said Miser and a number of other males in this thread are against hunting. I took the liberty of looking through the entire thread and whilst it is impossible to directly quantify the number of males and females who are against hunting as very few people seem to be completely for or against, it does seem to me as though roughly equal number of males and females are against hunting. However, more males do seem to err on the side of being for hunting. However, it is also important to take into account the fact that the responses in this thread are almost certainly not representative of the opinions of the general population, and thus it would be silly for either of us to attempt to draw conclusions regarding gender differences in views on hunting. Now THAT would be intellectually dishonest.

Now, on to the part of your post that interests me the most. Could you please outline this rational process, step-by-step? I am very interested to see how you justify killing animals.

Oh I was not only expecting it, it was my aim.

This was the aim.

I have not dismissed any reasons, and I am more than accepting of the fact that people have views that differ from mine.

Then you understand why I enoy the hunt, a collection and use of skills brings pride.

Agreed on both counts.

Agreed again.

Hunting as a sport is barbaric and completely unnescessary. The only time I would condone shooting an animal is to put it out of it's misery of for pest control. (Only then because it more humane than using other ways such as snares etc.) Foxhunting is the worst. I would gladly punch anyone if I saw them partaking in such a cruel hobby.

Foxes are nasty little parasites that kill livestock for the heck of it. Stop getting so emotionally attached to everything.

It's funny how you think the most appropriate response would be punching someone you dislike, I very much doubt you would actually do it though, considering the fact that it is the hunter who has the gun.

Though it might seem clear to you that you are accepting other point of views the general trend of the thread indicates not everyone else has understood this.

Yes, I do, my main concern was that the part you enjoyed was the killing rather than the hunt. If that isn't the case I have no opposition with the act of hunting.

I do find the act of not using the carcass disrespectful though. I know it will be eaten by other animals but imo that's not the point, if you kill something it's death should serve you a purpose.

If you can't find one for it then I would do as you do in fishing, get to the point where you could kill it but then leave it. I know this is easier to do in fishing than in hunting because in fishing once you've landed the fish the kill is guaranteed whereas in hunting it isn't until you've damaged the animal too badly to let it go.

I don't know if you've replied to this thread trying to anger people by portraying a slightly disrespectful (to the animal you're killing) image, if it's come across unintentionally (it is definitely something that comes across like that) or if it is how you actually think. As you've said you agree that not using the carcass is disrespectful then I'm hoping it is the first or second option.

Sure thing!

1)Animals do not have inherent rights.
2)Following 1) there is no reason why I should not be able to hunt them, weather that be for Food, Materials, or to test and hone a variety of skills that I possess.
3)I enjoy the process of the Hunt
4)Being a adult of sound mind and free will, I am allowed to peruse interests and activity's that I enjoy as long as they do not endanger other human beings or break the law of the land or the Aesir.
5)I enjoy hunting, it is Legal and does not excessively endanger others.
6)I may Hunt.

We humans have a higher level of reason and understanding and should realise that hunting for sport is wrong. I never said that foxes shouldn't have their population controlled. Hunting them with dogs and guns isn't the way to do it.

I stand by my point that I would physically have a go at anyone whom I saw partake in foxhunting.