Would you join a union?

I suggest you revise that post.

Calling a scab a scab is ok? That's a pretty derogatory term, and regardless of your opinion that post could be worded better, you're supposed to be setting an example.

I don't have a moral objection to it, depending on the strike/action in question.

An example to whom exactly? I don't set an example to anyone in my private life off here, and that's what I was discussing.

My only responsibility on here is to ensure that the debate flows smoothly, which I did, by telling Kibalchich and others to cut out the personal attacks. I didn't somehow sell off my right to a personal opinion when I became a mod you know.

Unions are about collective strength. You don't want that, fine. Don't expect anyone to have your back either. Scab.

I'm in the IWW and Unison and the RCN.

I'd rather not be part of a Union with a storied affiliation with Anarcho-Socialist movements, equally I've got no time for Unison or the RCN as they fund and are affiliated with the Labour Party.

I suggest you revise that post.

Calling a scab a scab is ok? That's a pretty derogatory term, and regardless of your opinion that post could be worded better, you're supposed to be setting an example.

and not all unions have such an opt out.

SO you'd be fine with saying, 'Oh in real life call a Chink a Chink, just not here.' Something like that? Your post is badly worded for a Mod, especially when it's in regards to a Mod action.

Sacked ? or made redundant ?

also if you were dismissed - what did you do to frustrate your contract.

Funny you should say that, considering that affilitation in Unison is actually split, between Labour Link and regular members, and you can choose whether your subs are contributed to the general fighting fund or political (Labour) fund.

Considering your arguments have just been shattered (re labour affiliation), what's your objection again?

A scab is a scab is a scab.

Funnily enough, the non-union members of my workplace never decline on principal the pay rises we negotiate. Just a bunch of scrounging freeloaders.

You're comparing racism to calling out someone who stabs their colleagues in the back?

The whole Unions often being self serving organisations

fronts for left politics etc.

And you've hardly shattered any Union-Labour affiliation, as even when it's not direct funding, most still have strong links with the likes of the Labour Party, SWP and so forth.

And a scrounger is a scrounger is a scrounger. A Chav is a Chav is a Chav.

And then there's the whole point about free choice, in that the 'scab' may not want to strike, they may want to continue to earn money, they may want nothing to do with your strike.

I was sacked whilst off sick with work-related stress.
My breach of contract was down to my not calling in sick one day-that's the one thing they got me on however before this, they had been trying to make me resign for months and months. Maybe even longer than I was aware of. It was a truly awful, corrupt company.
In the disciplinary they brought up all sorts of stuff which were lies, and the meeting became a case of my word against their's. Stupid things such as apparently I was working for another company whilst off sick (I wasn't, I hadn't worked for anybody else) and the fact that facebook had said I was in a certain city that I didn't live in 'So I must have been lying about being ill'.
Of the day in question where I didn't call in sick-I sent in a doctor's note officially signing me off-but what had happened was I had no phone reception where I was (staying with parents) I tried to call but the person on the desk couldn't hear me. I had enough reception to send a text though. I text my boyfriend asking him to call me in sick, but he didn't. Just one of those misunderstandings between me and him but as they couldn't prove anything else they'd accused me of, they got me on that.

I know of someone in a very similar situation; they tried to sack him on the basis of failing to call in sick (when, in fact, sometimes an employee can't due to their illness and are often protected under the Equality Act 2010)... they couldn't come to an agreement, but his employer paid him out £4,000 in a compromise settlement.

Your former employer behaved unforgivably, considering that failing to call in sick is not a fundamental and/or repudiatory breach of contract. Failing to call in sick is not gross misconduct / fundamental and repudiatory breach.

Only with the support of a union are most people able to call an employer on their unlawful and immoral attempts to sack people in these situations. Your employer probably acted unlawfully. Most of us don't have the time to be an employment law expert, so an employer will walk all over us.

Unions are the only answer.

I know of someone in a very similar situation; they tried to sack him on the basis of failing to call in sick (when, in fact, sometimes an employee can't due to their illness and are often protected under the Equality Act 2010)... they couldn't come to an agreement, but his employer paid him out £4,000 in a compromise settlement.

Your former employer behaved unforgivably, considering that failing to call in sick is not a fundamental and/or repudiatory breach of contract. Failing to call in sick is not gross misconduct / fundamental and repudiatory breach.

Only with the support of a union are most people able to call an employer on their unlawful and immoral attempts to sack people in these situations. Your employer probably acted unlawfully. Most of us don't have the time to be an employment law expert, so an employer will walk all over us.

Unions are the only answer.

Can you cite just one, single, measly example? Shouldn't be too hard for you if it's as obvious as you claim.

(Of unions serving the interests of their full-time officers as opposed to those of their members... or do you claim that unions shouldn't be able to represent their members interests? Should we abolish political parties as well?)



A front? A front would imply some kind of deception. Clearly, it's actually quite a sensible and pragmatic investment for unions to donate to and support the political party that is most likely to repay that support with legislation most favourable to the union's members.

Or would you say that only corporations can lobby government, and it's entirely illegitimate for unions to contribute to and lobby political parties in the interests of the members who pay their salary? Eh?



Evidence please. Do you have any evidence of this secret union conspiracy to support the Labour Party at the expense of its members? Or is it tinfoil hat time?



What do chavs have to do with this?



Though of course they don't forbear to accept the payrises the union negotiates, despite their desperate, pathetic need to bow down and lick their boss's boots.

Find me one union-hater who has declined to accept a payrise negotiated on his behalf by a union he refused to join, and I will concede you have a principled man. Can you find one?

Or you could use a bit of common sense and if you think you've been dismissed unlawfully and consult a private solicitor or even the citizens advice bureau. I know people who have sued companies for it, you don't need to be an expert in employment law to figure out when something has gone wrong.

CAB cannot represent you at ET ( at ET you either have a actual lawyer or represent yourself)

Or you could use a bit of common sense and if you think you've been dismissed unlawfully and consult a private solicitor