Hunting:Your views?

Did you quote the wrong person? Different people get pleasure from different things, am not saying I agree with hunting for sport but what can I do? To play devils advocate an arrow and cut throat would be quicker than being prepared by the lions.

My main gripe is with ape hunters and people who hunt other things for no reason other than financial gain, rhino horns and the ivory trade for one example. Wild animal trade disgusts me, cruelty disgusts me, the world and some of the humans in it disgust me at times. The OP is small fry.

Yes, but they do not die in a way which induced fear and panic. And either way that was not my point. My point is that hunting causes unnecessary pain and fear. If it is for the purpose of a cull, then a hunt is not always necessary that is what traps are for and then the animal can be put down later. If it is for the purpose of survival and it is the only way of getting food, then yes of course as long as the animal targeted is not endangered or endemic.

It's disgusting and inhumane.

I tend to agree, no-one eats fox's, we rarely use there pelts.
In Fox Hunting they are torn appart cruelly.

None of which are good things, I recognize that they need to be culled especially in rural areas and farmland, and in which case, trapping and shooting is ok, but the "Toffy" horse and hound way , im not keen on.

Converse Rocker, no I am not a vegetarian but I do not eat meat. We only eat fish which are sustainably sourced so no tuna or cod etc for me. Yes I have watched a video of animal abuse: it was a pig in a factory being chased around by some attendants who were placing burning sticks on its skin. I also used to have a cow which we took from a slaughterhouse so I would thank you not to baby me.

If you think about it, the fox is actually killed in the most natural way, by what is essentially a predator.

Can I ask both of you, are you vegetarian/vegan? Or do you make a conscious effort to eat meat from what we could call 'ethical sources'? (I suppose organic/free to roam/grass-fed might be the word)

If not, I think it's somewhat hypocritical to criticise the OP when most likely you have eaten chicken that was kept in a giant shed with hundreds of other chickens all crammed up against each other. I'm just pointing out you don't have to look hard to find videos of horrific animal abuse in the meat industry, so unless you oppose it with your actions (which for all I know you do, so I apologise if that's the case) I think it's harsh to criticise the OP.

At least he can guarantee that when he eats/uses that animal, it wasn't born into a factory with no sunlight. The pain and fear of shooting an animal yourself is probably less than what happens to a lot of meat in Britain. Understand my point?

I understand what you are trying to say but when you refer to us as 'predators' you don't tend to find a lion on a horse chasing a gazelle or an eagle with a rifle hunting down a mouse. So therefore, it is not as natural as it may seem in basic concepts.

Yes, I'm vegetarian....

I was referring to the hounds as predators, and they have neither horses nor rifles, just teeth (their natural weapon)

Yes that may be so but do you not agree it is very much tipped in the hounds favour with many of them chasing a single fox? And also referring to your point about aristocracy and farmers, many farmers find that the hunt would have taken place across their land even if a few others did join in the hunt. Besides, horse riding is usually considered to be a very middle-class- this is not aristocracy- sport even some of the horse rides admit it grudgingly

Of course it's tipped in the favour of the hounds, but pack hunting is hardly unnatural; dogs are, after all, descended from wolves, the most well-known pack hunters of all (other examples include: lions, hyenas, killer whales, coyotes, and many more besides

Well except time and pride.

I follow your point yet these pack hunters are not backed up by two other species with several of them wielding guns with which to finish off the fox. I believe numbers of foxes are on the rise and a cull may be in order soon at which point some people may start clamouring for a hunt but it would be better to trap the fox and then put it down humanely and without the panic. Of course, you could argue that would leave the fox without a natural predator but it faces enough threats with the vehicles, other foxes and also some species of birds which have been known to mob and sometimes kill them. Also, there are many other animals which do not have natural predators, including us, and this is the way nature made it.

Yes, but they do not die in a way which induced fear and panic. And either way that was not my point. My point is that hunting causes unnecessary pain and fear. If it is for the purpose of a cull, then a hunt is not always necessary that is what traps are for and then the animal can be put down later. If it is for the purpose of survival and it is the only way of getting food, then yes of course as long as the animal targeted is not endangered or endemic.