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Which is more prestigious?

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Reply 20
Original post by bestofyou
for the name of the university alone, he is blatantly right. No right minded employer employs alumni. They employ the best graduate. That could be a graduate from LSE or a graduate from South Bank.

We can't generalise saying that the LSE student will get a job on that alone. If this was the case why would LSE students bother to waste time on applications? Surely if this was the case they would have the sense to write 'I am an LSE graduate, PS doesn't even matter what degree I studied so I'll not include it' over an application form and send it into a less prestigious graduate position for example small accountancy firms as opposed to big ones, work there getting priceless work experience and then after a couple of years send in an application to a big city company and blow the thousands of other applicants out of the water with the work experience and the degree not to mention the heavy weighting of the universities name on top of that :rolleyes:


How is this supposed to be related to my post?

Edit: to clarify my point, I absolutely agree the name carries weight, but saying that this applies only to Oxbridge is inaccurate
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Within the UK, Durham. Internationally, Manchester.

But really, any difference in apparent prestige is not huge, and any difference in employability will be down to YOU not the university you went to - your work experience, your grades, etc. etc. will be far more important than the question of whether you went to Durham or Manchester.
Reply 22
Original post by NHSFan
Hi! I think that a lot depends perhaps on what you plan to do with your Geology degree. My son applied for and had an offer for Geology at Durham (Castle) for 2009-12. He went to interview and stayed overnight and decided against it, as the course was too academic and he wanted something more applied. He also thought it was too 'posh'! He already knew that he probably wanted a career in the petroleum industry. As a parent who admits to being a bit snobby, I thought that perhaps he ought to have chosen Durham. However, as with all 4 of my kids, he was able to make his own decision and he chose a different, RG university and thrived. He achieved a 1st, worked for 8 months, did work experience with an oil company and is presently on a 4 month travelling break before starting an MSc in Petroleum Geoscience later this year.

Ignore prestige.....do what's right for you and your career plans.

Good luck! :smile:


I wish I knew what was right for me! Haha :smile: but thank you, that's good advice. Can I ask what uni your son decided on going to? He's clearly doing very well for himself!
Reply 23
Original post by Origami Bullets
Within the UK, Durham. Internationally, Manchester.

But really, any difference in apparent prestige is not huge, and any difference in employability will be down to YOU not the university you went to - your work experience, your grades, etc. etc. will be far more important than the question of whether you went to Durham or Manchester.


Yes I agree! It's just 'it's not what you know, it's who you know', so wondered if either university could give me a head start when I try to find a job.
Reply 24
Original post by un1v
I wish I knew what was right for me! Haha :smile: but thank you, that's good advice. Can I ask what uni your son decided on going to? He's clearly doing very well for himself!


I'll PM you.
Original post by HenryD
No they wouldn't, certainly not based only on the Uni.


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Well in my company, it certainly happened on several occasions, so I'm afraid you're wrong.
Original post by HenryD
No they wouldn't, certainly not based only on the Uni.


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Wrong!

My place (engineering) did.

Reasons were Imperial's course was more practical and it has strong links to industry as opposed to just pure theory.
Durham. But both are very good.
Original post by un1v
Yes I agree! It's just 'it's not what you know, it's who you know', so wondered if either university could give me a head start when I try to find a job.


Who you meet at uni is almost entirely down to chance - and actually, you won't really know which of the people you've met at uni will be advantageous to you for years after you graduate, when people have forged their own careers.

I can't seen that there would be a quantifiable difference between the two - both tend to attract bright, ambitious, upwardly-mobile types who want to (and will) do well in the future.
Reply 29
Original post by Origami Bullets
Who you meet at uni is almost entirely down to chance - and actually, you won't really know which of the people you've met at uni will be advantageous to you for years after you graduate, when people have forged their own careers.

I can't seen that there would be a quantifiable difference between the two - both tend to attract bright, ambitious, upwardly-mobile types who want to (and will) do well in the future.


Indeed! It probably just comes down to where one feels they'll be more comfortable.
Reply 30
Original post by reallytired
Wrong!

My place (engineering) did.

Reasons were Imperial's course was more practical and it has strong links to industry as opposed to just pure theory.


Would you happen to know which has stronger links with industry between Manchester and Durham?
Reply 31
Original post by caveman123
Well in my company, it certainly happened on several occasions, so I'm afraid you're wrong.


Original post by reallytired
Wrong!

My place (engineering) did.

Reasons were Imperial's course was more practical and it has strong links to industry as opposed to just pure theory.

Ah Ok, but that was based more on course focus rather than Uni prestige which is what this thread is about. I take your point though.
Original post by Theophile
How is this supposed to be related to my post?

Edit: to clarify my point, I absolutely agree the name carries weight, but saying that this applies only to Oxbridge is inaccurate


I'm not saying that the reputation (not the name) of a university means nothing. If I did say that then I have gotten carried away trying to make a point.

However, outside of Oxbridge, the significance of this is massively reduced. So unless it is an obvious comparison, for example a RG university and a university that regularly sits in the bottom 10 of most league tables (not that league tables matter).

Most people I know who pick universities in say the top 30 or so outside of Oxbridge pick them based on the student life/course options at that university. I don't know anyone to pick a university based on a prestige they made up in their head. After all, prestige is an opinion, there is no hard evidence as to which is better. This is partially due to an unawareness that some of these universities may be looked upon more favourably than others, however that is a moot point because if it really was as serious a factor as the majority of TSR thinks, then they certainly would have been aware of this when applying. It would be widespread knowledge. However it isn't so in reality, if it is a factor when getting jobs (which I highly doubt) then it is a minuscule factor so small indeed that other points can override it easily.



Original post by ANB1993

I know a lot of people in a lot of very respected firms in Dublin and London. They all say it is more about who you know whilst the reputation of these universities globally plays it's part. In terms of reputation, yes, MOST of the unaffiliated universities are not as prestigious as these others. Now this does not mean they are studying at bad universities or their degrees are not respected. I am purely talking about the top top firms.


Load of rubbish.

I know people these top firms and it just so happens not a single one goes to places such as Oxford, LSE, Durham etc as you expect them to.

Queens Belfast, Bath, Loughborough. Universities that you would deem and well below an LSE standard, yet these top top firms that you say care so much about this prestige gap...clearly couldn't give a ****.

I'll tell you how this 'top firms what top uni graduates' goes about, or at least the most logical explanation for it. I mean it certainly makes more sense than some ridiculous notion that top firms base a part of their selection on the name of a university...Honestly that is absurd when you hear it like that.

No, what it really is, is the students at these universities needed AAAa+ in order to get in to these universities, so clearly they are quite hard working and studious students, they are also able to sell themselves well to the admissions department via interview/personal statement and obviously know how to met the wants of an institution in terms of extracurricular activities. Who is to say this is going to stop when they go to look for the best graduate jobs? The only ones that won't get these jobs are the ones who they they have done enough by getting into say LSE, and do nothing but study and get a 2:1/1st and have nothing else to show for the past 3years of their life.

On the other hand, what is to say a student at say Liverpool (that hideous, poorly ranked scummy university that is no where near the same level as LSE) wouldn't learn what makes a good employee and spend their 3years studying hard and doing plenty of other activities to strengthen an application.
Reply 33
Original post by HenryD
Ah Ok, but that was based more on course focus rather than Uni prestige which is what this thread is about. I take your point though.


But surely prestige encompasses course content, reputation, employability?

Cambridge's engineering course is very general, whereas Imperial's is more specialised right from the start.

If you want to specialise immediately, Cambridge's will teach you a lot you probably won't be interetsed in.

So some companies prefer Imperial.
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Reply 34
Original post by lotsofq
But surely prestige encompasses course content, reputation, employability?

Cambridge's engineering course is very general, whereas Imperial's is more specialised right from the start.

If you want to specialise immediately, Cambridge's will teach you a lot you probably won't be interetsed in.

So some companies prefer Imperial.


Given that this thread began with a general discussion about which Uni as a whole is more prestigious I'd say no. Also I doubt it's a case of them feeling the teaching is hugely superior at Imperial more than it is them preferring the more focused nature of it, and to say that that makes the course more prestiges than Cambridge's would be a mistake in my opinion.


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Reply 35
Original post by HenryD
Given that this thread began with a general discussion about which Uni as a whole is more prestigious I'd say no. Also I doubt it's a case of them feeling the teaching is hugely superior at Imperial more than it is them preferring the more focused nature of it, and to say that that makes the course more prestiges than Cambridge's would be a mistake in my opinion.


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No I wouldn't say they'd think Imperial's teaching is superior because it (Imperial) has low student satisfaction.

But those students who do come out on top must have that something extra, so could score some brownie points for Imperial.
Original post by un1v
Would you happen to know which has stronger links with industry between Manchester and Durham?


Right now, I'd say Manchester has the slight edge owing to the popularity of a certain Prof Cox (yes I know he's Physics not Engineering) but it still packs a few punches.

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