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Question 9ii)

For the constant c I get ln140 in the mark scheme it says -ln140 I can't seem to figure out why.

My working out :

1 / ( 160 - theta) d theta = k dt

ln ( 160 - theta) = kt + c

When t = 0 theta = 20

ln140 = 0 + c
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 1
Original post by IShouldBeRevising_
http://www.ocr.org.uk/Images/61388-question-paper-unit-4722-01-core-mathematics-2.pdf

Question 9ii)

For the constant c I get ln140 in the mark scheme it says -ln140 I can't seem to figure out why.

My working out :

1 / ( 160 - theta) d theta = k dt

ln ( 10 - theta) = kt + c

When t = 0 theta = 20

ln140 = 0 + c


you missed a minus sign when you integrated the LHS!
Original post by davros
you missed a minus sign when you integrated the LHS!




I don't understand :frown:
Reply 3
Original post by IShouldBeRevising_
http://www.ocr.org.uk/Images/59547-question-paper-unit-4724-01-core-mathematics.pdf

Question 9ii)

For the constant c I get ln140 in the mark scheme it says -ln140 I can't seem to figure out why.

My working out :

1 / ( 160 - theta) d theta = k dt

ln ( 160 - theta) = kt + c

When t = 0 theta = 20

ln140 = 0 + c


Temperature is increasing so:
dθdt=k(160θ)\frac{d\theta}{dt} = k(160-\theta)
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by joostan
Temperature is decreasing so:
dθdt=kt\frac{d\theta}{dt} = -kt
You can say k, but then you must remember that k is a negative constant.


The question says increasing ?
Reply 5
Original post by IShouldBeRevising_
The question says increasing ?


ah, misread the q COMPLETELY! :redface: poor show :s-smilie: see above.
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 6
Original post by IShouldBeRevising_
The question says increasing ?


Allow me to try again.
(fx)f(x) dx=lnx\int \frac{(f'x)}{f(x)}\ dx = ln|x|
what does 160-theta differentiate to?
Original post by joostan
Allow me to try again.
(fx)f(x) dx=lnx\int \frac{(f'x)}{f(x)}\ dx = ln|x|
what does 160-theta differentiate to?


-1 ?
Reply 8
Original post by IShouldBeRevising_
-1 ?


So as davros says - where is the minus on the LHS?
f'(x)/f(x) = -1/(160-theta)
So the integral should read -[-1/(160-theta)] :smile:
Original post by joostan
So as davros says - where is the minus on the LHS?
f'(x)/f(x) = -1/(160-theta)
So the integral should read -[-1/(160-theta)] :smile:


But originally the lhs = 1/160 - thetA

d/dx(1/ 160 - theta ) = -1 however the original lhs is 1 not -1?
Reply 10
Original post by IShouldBeRevising_
But originally the lhs = 1/160 - thetA

d/dx(1/ 160 - theta ) = -1 however the original lhs is 1 not -1?


when you integrate 1/(160 - theta) you should get -ln|160 - theta|

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