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All universities below the top 40 should be shut

If only the top 40 best universities remained open that means only the most academically able applicants would ever get a place and the cost to the tax payer would be far less to run the universities.

Also, with far less universities, the UK might be able to reinstate free tuition.

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If people want to go there then why can't they?
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So students who aren't as high achieving and can't get in to the top 4 unis shouldn't go uni then? Selfish prat, having the opportunity for education outlaws it's cost, if you want free tuition so much go Scotland and get residence there
Just because somebody earns a degree from a less reputable institution it doesn't mean that what they've learnt is of no value, just that it's less impressive than that from a more reputable one. By closing all unis except the top 40 you'll be stranding everybody with less than roughly ABB at A-level with no option to gain any higher qualification than that, and no opportunity to do any specialised course. Plus, it'd be disastrous for the graduate jobs market, and massively increase unemployment. Yes, university costs a lot for the country to run but it's a lot cheaper than having a shortage of graduates and loads of extra unemployed/underemployed people sitting around.
'Which are the top 40?' is a very subjective question. Even if I agreed with your principle it would still be impossible to implement.
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how do you define a top 40 uni, its all subjective
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Original post by Theflyingbarney
Just because somebody earns a degree from a less reputable institution it doesn't mean that what they've learnt is of no value, just that it's less impressive than that from a more reputable one. By closing all unis except the top 40 you'll be stranding everybody with less than roughly ABB at A-level with no option to gain any higher qualification than that, and no opportunity to do any specialised course. Plus, it'd be disastrous for the graduate jobs market, and massively increase unemployment. Yes, university costs a lot for the country to run but it's a lot cheaper than having a shortage of graduates and loads of extra unemployed/underemployed people sitting around.


Basically you're suggesting that it's a good thing that we have loads of low ranking universities with their main purpose of existence to hide the true unemployment figure?
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Original post by yaboy
how do you define a top 40 uni, its all subjective


League tables. They're usually very accurate and respected by top employers.
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If only the top 40 best universities remained open that means only the most academically able applicants would ever get a place and the cost to the tax payer would be far less to run the universities.

Also, with far less universities, the UK might be able to reinstate free tuition.


That's not true. I had a friend who got AAB in her A-levels and she went to a university which is low in the league tables, where as I got a CDD and got into a Russel Group uni.
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That's not true. I had a friend who got AAB in her A-levels and she went to a university which is low in the league tables, where as I got a CDD and got into a Russel Group uni.


What course?
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If only the top 40 best universities remained open that means only the most academically able applicants would ever get a place and the cost to the tax payer would be far less to run the universities.

Also, with far less universities, the UK might be able to reinstate free tuition.


Going by the Guardian's league table this would result in closing down both universities in Northern Ireland, meaning those who don't want to/can't afford to travel across to England/Wales/Scotland cannot access higher education.

Where would Northern Ireland get Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers, Engineers, any graduates for that matter?
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Original post by TobaccoSmoke
League tables. They're usually very accurate and respected by top employers.


million an 1 different league tables with different standings.
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League tables. They're usually very accurate and respected by top employers.


Not really. It depends what sector you're in, what experience you've gained and your degree classification as well.
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League tables. They're usually very accurate and respected by top employers.


What about arts universities? The arts is on the whole a pretty subjective subject. Completely against this...
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I chose A levels which are mainly exam based, I'm no good at exams but I have the same level of understanding as everyone else, I just don't get the grades to get into a top university. The degree I want to study is mainly coursework, why should I prevented from going to University, when I genuinely love learning because I'm not coming out with AAB?
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What course?


BSc Animal Science at Nottingham University
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Original post by bluebell100
That's not true. I had a friend who got AAB in her A-levels and she went to a university which is low in the league tables, where as I got a CDD and got into a Russel Group uni.


Well your grades are clearly awful. Must be the worst of the Russell group universities..

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Original post by Popppppy

Where would Northern Ireland get Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers, Engineers, any graduates for that matter?


ROI or pay for the ferry to England. Simple.
Stupid suggestion,

allows for no flexibility (some people have circumstances which will mean they wont be able to achieve highly at Alevel, but in uni, can flourish)
allows for no variation in specialities (my friend goes to a uni thats ranked around 80/90 overal... yet for his course, its top10 - hes now secured a great paying job in his field)
Disregarded the general importance of having an educated population
etc
etc

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