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Why do People Have a Problem with Gay People?

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Original post by Scienceisgood
Wikipedia fail...


I don't have time to go search each religion just to confirm what the article I presented says.

Take it from a Sikh web site then; http://realsikhism.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1250025034&ucat=7

Anyways, believe whatever you want, it's of no concern to me.
Original post by Perseveranze
I don't have time to go search each religion just to confirm what the article I presented says.

Take it from a Sikh web site then; http://realsikhism.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1250025034&ucat=7

Anyways, believe whatever you want, it's of no concern to me.


If you're not prepared to confirm your 'evidence' then don't make the claim in the first place.
Original post by wardah2
I don't accept it because of religious beliefs and the pure fact that I don't think its 'natural'.


The argument that is is unnatural is nonsensical. Homosexuality occurs in nature, especially among mammals. Furthermore, as humans we are also bound by the laws of nature and therefore everything we do is a product of nature. Which religion do you belong to?
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Original post by Perseveranze


Except that link seems to support my statement, not yours. There are more religions than Judaism, Sikhism, Judaism and Christianity you know.

Hinduism has a conflicted stances, but the texts generally support it.

Jainism and Buddhism (sometimes) oppose it only because it is a sexual act, and apply the same disdain to heterosexual acts of a similar nature. Otherwise the stance is neutral or (in some cases) supported.

Neopagans beliefs support it.

And older pagan beliefs vary considerably on the matter.

So how does "four or five religions" equate too "99%"?
Original post by Farm_Ecology
Except that link seems to support my statement, not yours.


It actually destroys your statement;


Original post by Farm_Ecology
In actuality, the active dislike for homosexuality is actually something relatively unique to the Abrahamics.



Original post by Farm_Ecology
There are more religions than Judaism, Sikhism, Judaism and Christianity you know.


Sikhism isn't Abrahamic, and I'm sure, if there was a considerable amount of religions that held Homosexuality favourably, they wouldn't have gone without mention.


Original post by Farm_Ecology
Hinduism has a conflicted stances, but the texts generally support it.


That depends on which Hindu you ask. In fact, it's the same for Abrahamic faith, yet both in Hinduism and Abrahamic faith, a considerable amount understand their faith to hold dislikeable tendencies towards Homosexuality.

Original post by Farm_Ecology
Jainism and Buddhism (sometimes) oppose it only because it is a sexual act, and apply the same disdain to heterosexual acts of a similar nature. Otherwise the stance is neutral or (in some cases) supported.


Again, that depends on which Bhuddist you ask.

Original post by Farm_Ecology
And older pagan beliefs vary considerably on the matter.


Amazing, there were "some" pagan's who actually liked homosexuality. Certainly the exception, rather than the commonality.

Original post by Farm_Ecology
So how does "four or five religions" equate too "99%"?


It's not "four or five", it's the majority, whether that's 99, 98, or 89. As mentioned above, the likening towards homosexuality was an exception within history. It's a bit of a far fetched attempt of you to say;

a) That the majority see homosexuality favourably.
b) That the "dislike" is exclusive to Abrahamic faiths.

On both fronts you're wrong.


Original post by JoffreyBaratheon
If you're not prepared to confirm your 'evidence' then don't make the claim in the first place.


What a silly statement to make.

If you actually clicked the link and actually read it, you get all the sources by looking in the references.
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Original post by Perseveranze
What a silly statement to make.

If you actually clicked the link and actually read it, you get all the sources by looking in the references.

Actually, you're the one spouting silly and nonsensical statements. The article your posted does not objectively support your facile remark that '99%' of religions dislike homosexuality.

Regardless, even if a majority of religions dislike homosexuality - this is irrelevant. If a majority of religions viewed women as inferior that would not make it right and just view.
Original post by JoffreyBaratheon
Actually, you're the one spouting silly and nonsensical statements. The article your posted does not objectively support your facile remark that '99%' of religions dislike homosexuality.

Regardless, even if a majority of religions dislike homosexuality - this is irrelevant. If a majority of religions viewed women as inferior that would not make it right and just view.


Doesn't matter if it is irrelevant or not, or whether it is "right or wrong", the fact is, the majority (overwhelmingly) view homosexuality within a negative light.
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In a nutshell:


Religion: many religions object to homosexuality because it is not perceived as 'natural'. It's not perceived as 'natural' because it goes against the concept of reproduction, which fundamentally indicates life and creation. Many religions expect human beings to prolong creation, as the gift of reproduction is a sacred gift from ''God'' or ''Gods''. Though, I strongly oppose this.

Religion is so contradictory
Original post by Perseveranze
Doesn't matter if it is irrelevant or not, or whether it is "right or wrong", the fact is, the majority view homosexuality within a negative light.


I don't see what you're trying to achieve by pointing this out then?
People have a problem with homosexuality because they are silly and can't accept what they don't understand.

I haven't read the thread, but I can see there's a lot of religion arguing going on. I think that to believe in a perfect creator god and to believe that homosexuality is sinful are in direct opposition with each other; we know that homosexuality is not a choice, so god must have created homosexuality (in animals as well as humans).

Also, no religious texts is received directly from a divine power. Even if they were originally, they were written down by humans, interpreted by humans, often translated and transliterated into many different languages by humans. Lots of room for mistakes and misinterpretation there.

With Christianity in particular, Jesus's main message was "love each other". I don't think he would be overly upset by homosexuality, which is essentially about people being in love with each other.
Original post by JoffreyBaratheon
I don't see what you're trying to achieve by pointing this out then?


Might want to retrace my posts to the original, to see who I was replying to and under what context.
Original post by Perseveranze
Might want to retrace my posts to the original, to see who I was replying to and under what context.


Ahaha isn't it obvious what you are trying to achieve? :tongue: Thank you for raising this question Perseverance :biggrin:
Original post by Perseveranze
Might want to retrace my posts to the original, to see who I was replying to and under what context.


The poster you originally responded to made a valid statement - homosexuality has been accepted and even recognised by the state in numerous cultures and belief systems historically (Ancient Egypt, Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, Mesopotamia, and so on).
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BI0
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Because closeted people are jealous and want revenge.
Original post by princess_parisa_22
there was a study that revealed that homophobic people were more likely to be turned on by gay porn

They were probably shown Jake Bass;

in that case, it's only natural they get a little bit turned on.
Umf.
Original post by Perseveranze

Amazing, there were "some" pagan's who actually liked homosexuality. Certainly the exception, rather than the commonality.
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Sadly Paganism is such a broad term, however European paganism, certainly was not hostile to it with it being pretty much accepted practice untill the Christianization.
Original post by Scienceisgood
Wikipedia fail...


Not really an honest stance to take, as long as the artical is sources properly(which take a moment to check) then Wikipedia is a valid source for discussion, especially online since it concisely and usually accurately consolidates a host of information and it's source.
Original post by Three Mile Sprint
Not really an honest stance to take, as long as the artical is sources properly(which take a moment to check) then Wikipedia is a valid source for discussion, especially online since it concisely and usually accurately consolidates a host of information and it's source.


Yeah, but the point is that it doesn't corroborate his '99%' claim.
Original post by Syrokal

Hardly a socially enshrined institution , where everyone was open and accepting


Did I say that it was? No.

But equally, it was nothing like your claim that those who engaged in same-sex intercourse were hunted down by packs of rabid peasants.

And your recourse to Tacitus is a real stretch, considering we're talking about pre-Christian medieval Europe, not antiquity.

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