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**The "North Korea Watch 2013" Update Thread**

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Original post by green.tea
I dunno. I still think that earthquake was a bit too much of a coincidence. I think we may see a sort of American draw where both sides back down.


What's the earthquake in Russia got to do with North Korea. I confess that I immediately latched onto the earthquake and became suspicious - but that was just me; if the article had said "5.2 earthquake measured in Russia" instead of "5.2 earthquake near North Korea and China", then I doubt I would have paid any attention to it. There was also a similar scale earthquake on the same day, but in Northern Siberia.

Now I don't see how an earthquake in a neighbouring country has anything to do with North Korea.
Original post by HumanSupremacist
What's the earthquake in Russia got to do with North Korea. I confess that I immediately latched onto the earthquake and became suspicious - but that was just me; if the article had said "5.2 earthquake measured in Russia" instead of "5.2 earthquake near North Korea and China", then I doubt I would have paid any attention to it. There was also a similar scale earthquake on the same day, but in Northern Siberia.

Now I don't see how an earthquake in a neighbouring country has anything to do with North Korea.


Because It was in the bit of Russia closest to NK while all this is going on. Also it happened almost bang on 12 o'clock. Its likely there's a fair few military instilations around there already and if not the Russians drilling a hole there would take no more foresight than loading an extra bullet for a warning shot into a gun you figured you'd have to threaten someone with sometime.

It kinda fits what I've seen of the Russians. During the Georgia thing Russia got loads of Putin look alikes to address foreign media in the manner of Saddam. Appearing similar to say "why not fight us instead" it seemed. Plus I think the Soviets probably did most of the backing down during the Cuba stand off. Russia may think its Americas turn.

I dunno tho. I don't really feel like factoring in much of the reports about it after the BBC's report on how things are at the bit of NK's north border with no tanks.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/08/north-korea-putin-idINDEE93706H20130408

(Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed concern on Monday about the escalating tensions on the Korean peninsula and said conflict there could cause greater devastation than the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986.

"I would make no secret about it, we are worried about the escalation on the Korean peninsula, because we are neighbours," Putin told a joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a visit to a trade fair in Germany.

"And if, God forbid, something happens, Chernobyl which we all know a lot about, may seem like a child's fairy tale. Is there such a threat or not? I think there is... I would urge everyone to calm down... and start to resolve the problems that have piled up for many years there at the negotiating table."

Putin also praised a U.S. decision at the weekend to postpone a planned missile test as part of efforts to reduce tensions on the Korean peninsula.

"I think we should all thank the U.S. leadership for this step. I hope it will be noticed by our North Korean partners, that certain conclusions will be drawn, everyone will calm down and start joint work to ease the situation." (Reporting by Alexei Anishchuk, writing by Gareth Jones, editing by Noah Barkin)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/07/north-korea-case-to-the-hague

What planets this guy living on? NK are getting behind every bit of armament they've got. They've got the Chinese army ready to sweep in and this guy thinks we can stop them in their tracks with a summons. What a pity we didn't have him in ww2. If only we thought of that we could've just jailed Hitler after Poland.
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Original post by green.tea
RT
Telling the truth


Oh, yeah, definitely.
Reply 507
BBC announcing that the North has temporarily shut Kaesong, the industrial zone on the border run by the South but employing 50,000+ North Koreans.
An unusual step, seeing as it earns millions of dollars-worth of currency for the North.
Original post by Drewski
BBC announcing that the North has temporarily shut Kaesong, the industrial zone on the border run by the South but employing 50,000+ North Koreans.
An unusual step, seeing as it earns millions of dollars-worth of currency for the North.


China may be going to pick up the slack. There's obviously joint planning going on.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2013/04/07/china-helped-north-korea-target-american-cities/

This says that China has been mobilising forces to the border since mid last month so there's clearly joint planning happening. The Chinese must have actually been sending the forces as they were agreeing to the sanctions which the media then portrayed as them finally getting pissed off with NK.

It's interesting that the media is trying to play down the animosity between nations. Perhaps to quell potential "Hang on a minute I'm studying mandarin and like the Chinese. Who exactly are you, the "free press" who elects our governments and tell us that China should have a free press (owned by you) too and that aggression in the name of "freedom" is just supposed to be representing anyway?"
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Original post by green.tea
China may be going to pick up the slack. There's obviously joint planning going on.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2013/04/07/china-helped-north-korea-target-american-cities/

This says that China has been mobilising forces to the border since mid last month so there's clearly joint planning happening. The Chinese must have actually been sending the forces as they were agreeing to the sanctions which the media then portrayed as them finally getting pissed off with NK.

It's interesting that the media is trying to play down the animosity between nations. Perhaps to quell potential "Hang on a minute I'm studying mandarin and like the Chinese. Who exactly are you, the "free press" who elects our governments and tell us that China should have a free press (owned by you) too and that aggression is just in the name of "freedom" supposed to be representing anyway?"


There's a yes and no element to all that. Yes it's in China's interest to keep the 'buffer' between themselves and a US ally, especially at a time when it's looking to develop it's strength in Asia, but North Korea won't be as easily manipulated as other states on the Chinese border. The cult of personality in NK is too strong for that, so either China has to be very careful and delicate with their handling of it all, or it could all blow up in their faces - literally.

So, while there may be truth to them coordinating their actions, there's also no doubt an element of truth in the fact that they have to be ready in case that fails. Plan A is fine. But it means nothing if you then don't have a Plan B or Plan C.
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I'm much less concerned about NK and a rather negligible threat, than whether or not China would join in if the US decides to attack in a war.
Original post by Drewski
There's a yes and no element to all that. Yes it's in China's interest to keep the 'buffer' between themselves and a US ally, especially at a time when it's looking to develop it's strength in Asia, but North Korea won't be as easily manipulated as other states on the Chinese border. The cult of personality in NK is too strong for that, so either China has to be very careful and delicate with their handling of it all, or it could all blow up in their faces - literally.

So, while there may be truth to them coordinating their actions, there's also no doubt an element of truth in the fact that they have to be ready in case that fails. Plan A is fine. But it means nothing if you then don't have a Plan B or Plan C.


I think its probably quite easy to manipulate a state thats totally reliant on you for supplies. The closing of the joint industrial complex actually gives China yet more control as the the more reliant on SK they became the obviously the less control China would have. It may be a smarter move to compete with China for this role but in order to do that you'd have to compete with China in terms of offer attractiveness. Aid for you staying in charge and keeping NK as you want is always gonna beat aid for regime change and democracy (which only comes good once we've re socialised you all with our media so that you stop electing governments that don't think what we want). China may be quite happy for us to continue making enemies of NK.
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Personally I think playing down China's backing does NK pr a world of good. It creates this image of a plucky little country defiantly taking on the rest of the world. Rest of the world threatens it and they threaten it right back. They aren't sitting round a table where the rest of the world has more seats than them. Why the **** should they? Who does the rest of the world think it is anyway? And now we're told that they're preparing more tests while America cancels theirs. The mouse that roared, and the lion that ran away.

This is of course complete nonsense and they are backed strongly by China and have a "partner" in Russia. But it really confuses me why the media does this. Far better to paint the enemy as a behemoth. The combined might of Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran etc. At least then whatever happens you look better.
Original post by green.tea
Personally I think playing down China's backing does NK pr a world of good. It creates this image of a plucky little country defiantly taking on the rest of the world. Rest of the world threatens it and they threaten it right back. They aren't sitting round a table where the rest of the world has more seats than them. Why the **** should they? Who does the rest of the world think it is anyway? And now we're told that they're preparing more tests while America cancels theirs. The mouse that roared, and the lion that ran away.

This is of course complete nonsense and they are backed strongly by China and have a "partner" in Russia. But it really confuses me why the media does this. Far better to paint the enemy as a behemoth. The combined might of Russia, China, Pakistan, Iran etc. At least then whatever happens you look better.


The ridiculous thing is that if a large conflict involving is even going to ensue, it'll probably be in up to a decade and it's highly doubtful that a large conflict will even ensue - it turns out that Kim Jong-Un's aunt (daughter of Kim Il-Sung) and uncle (her husband) are really calling the shots and act as "senior advisers" to Kim and are actually trying to cement his authority.

Fortunately, it's truly all blustering this time. The worst we'll see are more "tests" and at worst, some light shelling or something which SK will hopefully bear without retaliating. Even with the closure of that industrial complex, I believe it was just to go to the farthest extremes of rhetoric and make it seem like NK mean business.
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North Korea workers fail to turn up at Kaesong



North Korean employees have not reported for work at the Kaesong Industrial Complex, suspending one of the few points of cooperation between North and South Korea.


More than 120 South Korean companies operate in Kaesong, which is located inside North Korea.


About 53,000 North Korean workers are employed there.


It is the latest in a stream of provocations that have raised tensions on the Korean peninsula.


"As of now, no North Korean workers have reported to work this morning," a spokesperson for the South Korean Unification Ministry said.


The ministry added that 77 South Korean workers would leave the zone on Tuesday, but 479 were still inside Kaesong.


South Korean President Park Geun-hye said the boycott by North Korean workers would harm the country's credibility....

Japan deploys missile defences in Tokyo amid North Korea concerns



Japan deployed missile-defense systems at three sites around Tokyo early Tuesday ahead of a possible missile launch by North Korea, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said.

The Patriot missile batteries were set up in the central district of Ichigaya and in the suburbs of Asaka and Narashino, Suga told reporters Tuesday. The deployments come as U.S. and South Korean officials warn Pyongyang could be preparing for another provocative move after weeks of belligerent rhetoric.

Suga had said Monday that the Japanese government would not publicize any missile-defense deployment, saying "It would show our strategy to North Korea."

The comments came a day after North Korea said it would pull out all its workers and temporarily suspend operations at the industrial complex it jointly operates with the South, the latest sign of deteriorating relations on the Korean Peninsula.

The North said it would also consider permanently closing down the Kaesong Industrial Complex, a shared manufacturing zone that is the last major symbol of cooperation between the two countries.

On Tuesday morning, the South Korean Unification Ministry said North Korean workers hadn't so far reported for work.



North Korea's missile capabilities



The past few weeks have seen North Korea become increasingly belligerent toward the United States and South Korea, with Pyongyang threatening to "mercilessly strike" its enemies. But is the country able to back up its threats? Realistically, who's at risk of attack and where?

While experts believe North Korea does not currently have the capability to arm a missile with a nuclear warhead, the tabs below outline some of the known conventional weaponry in North Korea's arsenal. Click a name for details, and estimated strike ranges from Pyongyang.




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You're up early, I take it NK is still being angsty?
Original post by hamijack
You're up early, I take it NK is still being angsty?


Yep, they've ratcheted it up to one of the highest levels - i.e. the Kaesong complex still remains closed; which is very serious because it's a highly highly lucrative source of income for North Korea, while being not so much for the South. Analysts say that NK would only close the complex if they really meant business - because it's closure is effectively a cutting off of one's hand. NK's basically losing a hell of a lot of income from the closure - not exactly intelligent unless they mean business.

Anyway, April 10th is tomorrow, with April 15th ever approaching - I do hope it's just rhetoric, even if at one of the highest levels. NK must surely know it won't win or succeed - and the hordes of Chinese troops massed on its borders are still of questionable motive...
Original post by HumanSupremacist
Yep, they've ratcheted it up to one of the highest levels - i.e. the Kaesong complex still remains closed; which is very serious because it's a highly highly lucrative source of income for North Korea, while being not so much for the South. Analysts say that NK would only close the complex if they really meant business - because it's closure is effectively a cutting off of one's hand. NK's basically losing a hell of a lot of income from the closure - not exactly intelligent unless they mean business.

Anyway, April 10th is tomorrow, with April 15th ever approaching - I do hope it's just rhetoric, even if at one of the highest levels. NK must surely know it won't win or succeed - and the hordes of Chinese troops massed on its borders are still of questionable motive...


Hmmm, that does seem worrying. I do think it's unlikely that war will break out, even with the increased posturing from the North, the know it would be bloody, brutal and futile.

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