I'm at parties about Margaret Thatcher's death

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Reply 80

ed-

Original post by Daisy Duke

Sadly, I can see a similar thing happening about Margaret Thatcher...

Hilarious

Reply 81

Amanbabbar./

Original post by Eveiebaby

Think what you like. Her policies had a direct effect on those of my family and those of some of my south african friends. I'm sorry, the Hitler argument - I have absolutely no qualms about disrespecting someone who was directly responsible for so many deaths himself.

Yes, people make mistakes, and yes many of Thatchers policies did affect people negatively, also, Hitler wasn't exactly the nicest person going, but not celebrating someone's death is basic respect.
If you can't respect the fact that someones dead, and there will be plenty of people mourning for them, then you can't call yourself a decent human being. My personal opinion on the matter.

Reply 82

Albino

Original post by Daisy Duke

Guy Fawkes'? Never seen an effigy burnt on the bonfire?

We celebrate bonfire night because the king escaped execution, guy fawkes died a couple of months later after being tortured.

Reply 83

Daisy Duke

Original post by Albino

We celebrate bonfire night because the king escaped execution, guy fawkes died a couple of months later after being tortured.

I was never allowed to go to bonfire night celebrations, because my mother said it was disgusting to celebrate the death and torture of anyone. Guess I'm owed 17 years worth of fireworks.

Reply 84

username917703

Seriously who really cares if people are having parties?

Original post by SHallowvale

I'm sure many celebrated when Hitler died. Was it wrong for them to do so?

+ bin Laden. I don't recall anyone saying we should respect his death when he died.

Reply 85

Eveiebaby

Original post by Amanbabbar./

In my opinion respect is earned by the good deeds that they have made in life. Death does not in my opinion command instant respect and a disregarding/acceptance of atrocities in life. Hitler does not deserve the basic respect he denied to the people he killed. I accept that's what you think but I just don't agree. I think she was a horrid woman.

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Reply 86

player19

Original post by Eveiebaby

Erm, you might be able to change my mind if you could advise why it was a lie with a support of sorts. I haven't just plucked this out of thin air. Even a cursory search on google and I have many hits, one including David Cameron apologising to Nelson Mandela for Thatchers failure to withdraw support for engaging with a country who installed this disgusting regime. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-apologises-for-thatcher-apartheid-policies-413569.html

She was against apartheid. She was only against imposing sanctions on the South African government.

Considering that SA had a major geostrategic importance (you know Cold war, fight against communism) the US and primeministers before thatcher helped the apartheid SA government.

The same goes for her support of Pinochet. During the Falkand wars he provided support for the UK and without him Argentina would probably won the war (or at least winning it with more sacrifice of human lifes)

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Reply 87

SpiggyTopes

Original post by a729

I was disgusted when I heard there will a big party on Saturday in Trafalgar Square to celebrate her death.

She was a brilliant woman- arguably her simply becoming the most powerful woman in the world meant she more than did her bit for 'feminism'.

She saved Britain.

She was not perfect but she was a much better leader than the ones we have had recently.

It is wrong to celebrate her death

Edit: How can I get negged for saying it's wrong to celebrate a person's death.. I'd post a similar thing if I heard people were celebrating Brown or Blair's death!

Don't worry, she'd love it!

Reply 88

Eveiebaby

Original post by player19

She was against apartheid. She was only against sanction on the South African government.

Considering that SA had a major geostrategic importance and even the US in some degree supported the SA government it is reasonable why she was against it.

The same goes for her support of Pinochet. During the Falkand wars he provided support for the UK and without him Argentina would probably won the war (or at least winning it with more sacrifice of human lifes)

She said that she was against apartheid, but I'm strongly suspicious about that. Despite your suggestions which I can see ARE reasoned, Cameron (despite him being a blundering fool), I'm sure has considered this possibility and still deemed it necessary to make a public apology and acknowledgement on behalf of her and the Conservative party of that era that it was perhaps not the best idea to engage with SA during apartheid. She did not exercise anti-apartheid conviction and many countries chose to disengage with SA during that time and managed not to fall apart.

Reply 89

MrHappy_J

She did nothing for feminism. she despised working with women and did nothing to promote women in politics. she did not save the country she caused record levels of unemployment.
If there is one policy of hers that did any good id love to hear it.

But yes it is distasteful. If it is even true which i doubt. Thered be riots.

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Reply 90

Eboracum

I'm opposed to capital punishment but anyone who celebrates her death should be shot. She was a truly phenomenal women, the greatest we've ever had. We should congratulate her achievements, and pay tribute to a legend.

Some of the comments from left wing socialists I've seen on FB today make me sick. The reason why abortions were invented.

Reply 91

TheGuy117

Original post by popnit

That's sick. Having a party celebrating someone's death is just not right no matter who they are.

(not in any way, shape or form comparing Thatcher to Hitler, though I despise her). But "celebrating someone's death is just not right no matter who they are" is nonsense, should people not have celebrated the death of Hitler?...it's a bit like those people on facebook quoting rubbish like "violence is never the answer", what kind of trying-too-hard-to-be-philosophical-nonsense is that? Should Chamberlain and Churchill have had some lunch with Hitler and kindly ask him to stop terrorising Europe instead of waging war then?

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Reply 92

DK_Tipp

People celebrating Thatchers death are confusing Margaret Thatcher, the human being with Thatcherism, it's legacy and consequences. While sadly one has passed on, the other sadly continues.

Reply 93

usainlightning

It's rather ironic when those on the left accuse her of having no moral compass and then celebrate when she dies.

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Reply 94

TheGuy117

Original post by Eboracum

The level irony in such few lines. Wow.

Reply 95

freddy2222

Original post by Guru Jason

Each to their own opinion. I only know what I do from my parents (working class) so politically didn't agree with her (if I had been around back then). It is in poor taste to celebrate the death of someone though.

even jesus?

Reply 96

freddy2222

Original post by RtGOAT

The mining communities should be thankful for her. She gave them the opportunity to get out of the cesspit. To get educated and get real jobs instead of crawling down filthy mines, breeding and having their brood repeating the cycle with no sign of prosperity.

Ungrateful cretins tbh.

i hope this is just a troll

Reply 97

player19

Original post by Eveiebaby

Well, yes. But it is only that the Conservatives were not the only. The Labour probably did the same, the US government (you know Mandela was only few years ago on CIAs list of terrorists) and many others did it. In that case you should recquire apology from them.

Reply 98

DK_Tipp

Original post by SpiggyTopes

Don't worry, she'd love it!

I'd probably be considered to be on the left by modern neo-liberal standards but I can certainly agree with Maggie on that one. It's never personal. Her policies are and should be open to scrutiny and criticism but there's something very macabre about celebrating the death of another person.

Reply 99

freddy2222

Original post by placenta medicae talpae

So you don't think that the dead deserve respect at all?

Is it okay to use her as firewood or to sell her on eBay?
How do you think her family feel about the parties for her death?

Diogenes, when asked how he wished to be buried, he left instructions to be thrown outside the city wall so wild animals could feast on his body. When asked if he minded this, he said, "Not at all, as long as you provide me with a stick to chase the creatures away!" When asked how he could use the stick since he would lack awareness, he replied "If I lack awareness, then why should I care what happens to me when I am dead?"