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Original post by Goods
Only say you want to do a PHD if its true. They expect a much more involved and informed student when looking at someone who wants to do a PHD. It can act against you if they don't think you're sincere about it.

Also I missed out on the Cambridge Headstart (i got Manchester which is still great) i applied in December (10A*'s 2A) and my friend who applied in sept (6A*'s 3A's B) got a place. So i emailed and they pretty much said they allocate places to the first people who qualify for the course standards. So apply as soon as applications open and your more likely to get a place.


:-o We weren't even told about Headstart until December time, and I didn't get my application off until almost the deadline. We were told that they wouldn't look at any applications until the deadline.
I've also found out since that priority goes to those who previously did a headstart course while at secondary school.
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They don't make decisions until the deadline. They allocate the places before then
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Original post by dragonkeeper999
I've applied for the European Space Camp too! :smile:
I would say definitely go for the summer school - they are generally very competitive to get into, so you are unlikely to get any more summer school offers. Also, you will learn so much! I went for a week long headstart summer school at UEA last summer (I'm currently an A2 student), and it was very useful when writing my personal statement and deciding exactly which course to apply for (Physical Natural Sciences, 'cause I don't really know which of Physics/ Chemistry/ Materials/ whatever I prefer!). I also applied for UNIQ, Cambridge Physical Sciences, and Sutton Trust summer schools, but didn't get in, and got rejected from my first two choices for the Headstart one too :'( My top tip for anyone is to apply or as many as possible, as they all select on different criteria (most were based upon background, e.g. being from an ethnic minority group, living in a rough area, having low income or getting free school meals, etc.) although they do also look at your GCSE results and predicted AS results and some (e.g. the Cambridge Physics one) require a sort of admissions test thing. And definitely accept your places on them!
To get work experience at a uni, first look through their physics department website - some will advertise work experience placements (although you're probably coming quite close to the deadlines now...). Also, email whoever's in charge of 'outreach' in their physics department with a short letter about who you are, what you currently study, and what your ambitions are (to study physics at a top uni like theirs (a bit of flattery never goes amiss...) and then do a PhD and work in research at somewhere like CERN).
Also, make sure you do loads of extra reading and go on any school trips offered to you to visit science labs, go to masterclasses, or listen to lectures on particle physics etc.


Thanks for your advice :wink: I'll spend some time this afternoon browsing physics department websites to see if I can find something and I'll try to write some emails, even if it's quite late.

I'm also starting to plan which open days to go to this June and I'll probably visit Imperial. I actually can't decide between the Physics First Year Project open day or the Science and Engineering one. Which would be best?
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Hey, I think I may do physics for a degree and I recently got really interested in the whole particle things, it's a shame I chose to do all the summer school things in engineering instead though, XD Anyways:


What is your name?
Sohail (it's a weird name i know)

What universities are you interested in?
Cambridge, Edinburgh, Manchester, Leeds (Doubt I'd get into cambridge though!)

What are your subjects and hopeful grades for AS and A2?
Physics(of course!), Maths, Further Maths, Chemistry, Computing - AAAAA. I think I might drop Computing after AS.
I think I might get A*A*AA (A*s in Physics and Chemistry) at A2. But I really want to get the A*s in maths XD
How many prospectuses have you had all together now?
4 for the one's I said ^^
Any female physicists out there?
There may be but I'm not one sorry!

Also the material I've read are mostly 'particley', but:
"The God Particle" by Leon Lederman - actually quite an interesting read and gives a broad view of physics to start with.
A Short Introduction to Particle Physics/Quantum Theory/General Relativity - All these are very interesting!

I plan on looking at some more stuff but I'm really scared about anything extra-curricular I need to do, what are you guys doing apart from summer schools/reading?

If we read physics textbooks, would that be the sort of thing to mention in our Personal Statement? Because I tend to read textbooks rather than the popular material such as Simon Singh etc.
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so long as they aren't A level text books. If they are its just you writing that you do your subject at school
Original post by Goods
so long as they aren't A level text books. If they are its just you writing that you do your subject at school


No they aren't standard A-level textbooks. "Advanced Physics" by Adams and Allday (which does cover all A-level material - it's a composite textbook designed to deal with all A-level material on all of the specifications, new and old), "Upgrade Your Physics" by Anton Machacek and I'm currently on "Concepts of Modern Physics" by Arthur Beiser. This is the sort of thing I mean (I may get another book in the Summer).
Original post by IlariaM
Thanks for your advice :wink: I'll spend some time this afternoon browsing physics department websites to see if I can find something and I'll try to write some emails, even if it's quite late.

I'm also starting to plan which open days to go to this June and I'll probably visit Imperial. I actually can't decide between the Physics First Year Project open day or the Science and Engineering one. Which would be best?


I never looked around Imperial properly, but I would possibly suggest the Physics one if it is focussed particularly on the physics course (and not just the first year project bit of it...). The Science and Engineering one is likely to be a bit broader, which may also be interesting I guess...
Look on their website for the exact course you are planning to apply to, it may suggest which open day to go to.
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Original post by Big-Daddy
What's a fiducial marker?

As for parallax error, as far as I know it's error introduced by not bringing your eye level to that of the measuring instrument (so the obvious fix would be to bring your eye level to that of the measuring instrument!).

Are you sure they don't ask for how to reduce errors? e.g. here's a question from June 2011, I have no idea how to come up with answers for these sorts of thing:

4. In Section A Part 1 you measured the diameter of a wire using a micrometer screw gauge.

(i). Suggest a possible source of random error in this measurement.
(ii.) Describe and explain a procedure that can be followed that may reduce the effect of the source of random error you identified in part (i).
(iii.) Suggest a procedure that can be followed that may reduce the effect of systematic error in the determination of the diameter.

I know that random errors are those which differ throughout the system (e.g. the wire may have different diameters at different points in its length) and systematic errors are basically zero errors or other errors that come up from not being able to get accurate readings. But how do we reduce either of them (ii and iii)?


Fiducial markers are things that you place at the fastest point of an oscillator (e.g., the equilibrium position of a pendulum) to improve the accuracy of you timings (if you are measuring, for example, time period).

You use a mirror to reduce parallax error. When the pointer (or whatever is causing the parallax) lines up with its image, then that means you are perfectly level and there is no parallax.

i) Wire is not a consistent diameter.
ii) repeat and average to improve reliability
iii) close the jaws and zero the gauge (if it is digital), otherwise close the jaws, make a note of the initial reading, and subtract this from all further readings.

Other ways to reduce error: measure more than one, then take an average (e.g., to measure the thickness of paper, you would measure ten or twenty sheets, then divide by ten or twenty). Use multiple oscillations to measure time period.
Sorry to put this here but can anyone help? Really desperate.
Original post by Qwertish
Fiducial markers are things that you place at the fastest point of an oscillator (e.g., the equilibrium position of a pendulum) to improve the accuracy of you timings (if you are measuring, for example, time period).

You use a mirror to reduce parallax error. When the pointer (or whatever is causing the parallax) lines up with its image, then that means you are perfectly level and there is no parallax.

i) Wire is not a consistent diameter.
ii) repeat and average to improve reliability
iii) close the jaws and zero the gauge (if it is digital), otherwise close the jaws, make a note of the initial reading, and subtract this from all further readings.

Other ways to reduce error: measure more than one, then take an average (e.g., to measure the thickness of paper, you would measure ten or twenty sheets, then divide by ten or twenty). Use multiple oscillations to measure time period.


Ah thanks :smile:

So random error is possible reasons for inconsistency in your measurement; systematic errors refer to parallax error or zero error; reducing random errors is simply to take multiple measurements at various different points, remove anomalies and take the average (to reduce the effect of inconsistency); reducing systematic errors is simply to calibrate in order to remove zero error (or bring your line of sight to the level, perpendicular to the measuring instrument, e.g. using a mirror, to remove parallax error). Is there anything you would add to that?

I'm not too sure where fiducial markers fit in since I have in fact not heard of them before now but I'll be sure to keep them in mind just in case :smile:
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Original post by Big-Daddy
Ah thanks :smile:

So random error is possible reasons for inconsistency in your measurement; systematic errors refer to parallax error or zero error; reducing random errors is simply to take multiple measurements at various different points, remove anomalies and take the average (to reduce the effect of inconsistency); reducing systematic errors is simply to calibrate in order to remove zero error (or bring your line of sight to the level, perpendicular to the measuring instrument, e.g. using a mirror, to remove parallax error). Is there anything you would add to that?

I'm not too sure where fiducial markers fit in since I have in fact not heard of them before now but I'll be sure to keep them in mind just in case :smile:


Parallax error is a random error, because the error is not the same each time you take a measurement. Systematic errors are the same for every measurement, so they can be easily compensated for.

Examples of systematic errors would be calibration errors and zero errors.

Random errors are human error, parallax error, errors due to improperly controlled control variables (temperature, etc).
Original post by Qwertish
Make sure you know how to quantitatively prove inverse proportion.


Hi again - what did you mean by this when you said it? How do you "prove" inverse proportion?
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Original post by Big-Daddy
Hi again - what did you mean by this when you said it? How do you "prove" inverse proportion?


If x is inversely proportional to y, then xy=k where k is a constant. In an EMPA/ISA we had to show that this was true to within ±5% of the mean of k to prove inverse proportion.
Original post by Qwertish
If x is inversely proportional to y, then xy=k where k is a constant. In an EMPA/ISA we had to show that this was true to within ±5% of the mean of k to prove inverse proportion.


So to do this we would just pick two other values of (x,y) pairs and then find the value of k they correspond to; then we just have to show that the magnitude of [100-((either of these k values/the mean k)*100)] is less than 5%. In fact this works for any graphical relationship not just inverse proportion (e.g. with a directly proportional line, you just work out the values for k using pairs of y=kx values). Am I right?
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Original post by Big-Daddy
So to do this we would just pick two other values of (x,y) pairs and then find the value of k they correspond to; then we just have to show that the magnitude of [100-((either of these k values/the mean k)*100)] is less than 5%. In fact this works for any graphical relationship not just inverse proportion (e.g. with a directly proportional line, you just work out the values for k using pairs of y=kx values). Am I right?


Find k for at least 5 pairs of (x,y)(x,y).

Find the mean kk, k^\hat{k}.

Then do this for all 5 kks:

[br]kk^k^×100%[br][br]\dfrac{k-\hat{k}}{\hat{k}} \times 100\%[br]

That should be no more than ±5%\pm 5\% if it is inverse.

And yes, this works with direct proportion (and exponential decay, next year).
(edited 11 years ago)
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When working out percentage uncertainty if you have an angle to +- 3% what is the uncertainty of the sine of that angle?


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Original post by Goods
When working out percentage uncertainty if you have an angle to +- 3% what is the uncertainty of the sine of that angle?


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[br]Max=sin(θ+0.03(θ))[br]Min=sin(θ0.03(θ))[br][br]Range=MaxMin[br][br]Uncertainty=12×Rangeθ×100%[br][br]Max = \sin(\theta + 0.03(\theta))[br]Min = \sin(\theta - 0.03(\theta))[br][br]Range = Max - Min[br][br]Uncertainty = \dfrac{\dfrac{1}{2} \times Range}{\theta} \times 100\%[br]
(edited 10 years ago)
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also one last question, on the empa specimen paper there is a discussion question about two different ways of working out the refractive index. its worth 3 marks but i don't know what points to make. I guess one will be for saying you have uncertainty in measurement another for saying to work them out by different procedures and then a third for saying that they are approximately the same? i got 1.47 and 1.51 as my two refractive indexes
Look at Lancaster too! :wink:

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