When did we get into this stupid phase of fat coddling?
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Original post by LewisG123
That sums it up perfectly, a healthy girl being criticised and an overweight girl being praised, how does that happen
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This is one of the reasons obesity is on the rise and will continue to rise. Until there is a change in mentality nationwide, people will just continue getting bigger and bigger.
Having the desire and taking the initiative to improve oneself is seen as 'vain' and what's the other one again.. oh "spending your life pumping iron in the gym" whereas, if you don't look after your body and health you are "a beautiful, real woman."
It's pretty dumb. It's not even the size misjudgements and subjective definitions of 'curvy' that pisses me off, but rather the fact that there are people out there promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. Do they not see how ****ing dangerous that is?
I feel sorry for the state of this country and the US by the end of this decade.
Original post by Spontogical
This is one of the reasons obesity is on the rise and will continue to rise. Until there is a change in mentality nationwide, people will just continue getting bigger and bigger.
Having the desire and taking the initiative to improve oneself is seen as 'vain' and what's the other one again.. oh "spending your life pumping iron in the gym" whereas, if you don't look after your body and health you are "a beautiful, real woman."
It's pretty dumb. It's not even the size misjudgements and subjective definitions of 'curvy' that pisses me off, but rather the fact that there are people out there promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. Do they not see how ****ing dangerous that is?
I feel sorry for the state of this country and the US by the end of this decade.
Having the desire and taking the initiative to improve oneself is seen as 'vain' and what's the other one again.. oh "spending your life pumping iron in the gym" whereas, if you don't look after your body and health you are "a beautiful, real woman."
It's pretty dumb. It's not even the size misjudgements and subjective definitions of 'curvy' that pisses me off, but rather the fact that there are people out there promoting an unhealthy lifestyle. Do they not see how ****ing dangerous that is?
I feel sorry for the state of this country and the US by the end of this decade.
This, really. I cannot comprehend why there is a stigma against a concern with one's appearance, and there is an encouragement of 'loving yourself the way you are'. No doubt I'm going to be misinterpreted by a lot of people here, so let me presage that and try and counter it immediately.
I do not believe that bullying is ever acceptable, and I believe that it is both dangerous and reprehensible to suggest that every single male should look like *insert ideal male figure here* and every female should look like either the catwalk model or Alessandra Ambrosio. However, phrases like 'real women have curves' or 'love yourself the way you are' propagate, as you've rightly pointed out, a dangerous culture that implies that 'the way you are' is something immutable, which in turn prevents people from taking difficult but necessary steps that will improve their health, quality of life, and self-esteem.
I also agree that there are few phrases more ridiculous than 'real woman' (though another has to be 'real man').
Original post by LewisG123
I completely sympathise with people who are obese through medical conditions, being over fed as a child you can overcome. But why is we don't tell overweight people to lose weight rather than trying to make them feel like they're so beautiful. I didn't complain about underweight girls because I think being ridiculously skinny is already quite stigmatised
We would try and sugar coat it for them, but they might eat that too.
Original post by Tabzqt
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Original post by Popppppy
Do you think that girl with the 6 pack is attractive?
Personally I don't find either of them attractive but if I had to chose I'd pick the larger girl, the muscley girl in my opinion looks gross.
I think the larger but toned figures of Beyonce and Katy Perry are the nicest.
Personally I don't find either of them attractive but if I had to chose I'd pick the larger girl, the muscley girl in my opinion looks gross.
I think the larger but toned figures of Beyonce and Katy Perry are the nicest.
The point is that someone who has worked hard for their body is being criticised and not accepted for their body shape yet someone who has done **** all is getting applauded (not to mention congratulated for living an unhealthy lifestyle).
It's hypocritical to say fat people should be comfortable with their weight/body size then call someone who isn't fat ugly and disgusting. The people commenting on that aren't taking into consideration that they're showing confidence to expose their bodies as well as the overweight girl.
Original post by Tabzqt
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I'd like to think that things like this are anomalies, confined to the vacuum of vacuity that is Facebook, but I assume you'll tell me this sort of occurrence is common? In any case, PRSOM...
Original post by Miss G
This is a rant.
I HATE this hypocrisy. The other day I was with my friend whom I hadn't seen in a while, and we were looking for Prom dresses. So, I told her I was trying to lose some weight, since I didn't want to be fat anymore, and I wanted to look back at my Prom pictures and see a beautiful girl. Her response was:
'Oh, but it's just the media that's making you think you need to be skinny! That's not REALISTIC! Real women have curves.'
I mean, sure curves are nice, but rolls of fat do not = curves in my opinion. And women are women despite the fact that they may not be Beyonce. And stuff like that is REALLY mean. Do people really think that skinny people have no feelings?? I mean, my really skinny friend once saw a photo that had a skinny girl and a curvy girl, and it was something along the lines of, 'real women have curves'. She just smiled sadly and said 'That's true, they do.' Why should she be made to feel like less of a person? I get that fat people get the same treatment, but why fight it with more bullying?
I think we need less of 'it's okay, you don't need to lose weight, you're beautiful just the way you are' and a little bit more tough love. You don't need to conform to media standards, but the moment you become overweight, you know something's wrong.
Rant over.
I HATE this hypocrisy. The other day I was with my friend whom I hadn't seen in a while, and we were looking for Prom dresses. So, I told her I was trying to lose some weight, since I didn't want to be fat anymore, and I wanted to look back at my Prom pictures and see a beautiful girl. Her response was:
'Oh, but it's just the media that's making you think you need to be skinny! That's not REALISTIC! Real women have curves.'
I mean, sure curves are nice, but rolls of fat do not = curves in my opinion. And women are women despite the fact that they may not be Beyonce. And stuff like that is REALLY mean. Do people really think that skinny people have no feelings?? I mean, my really skinny friend once saw a photo that had a skinny girl and a curvy girl, and it was something along the lines of, 'real women have curves'. She just smiled sadly and said 'That's true, they do.' Why should she be made to feel like less of a person? I get that fat people get the same treatment, but why fight it with more bullying?
I think we need less of 'it's okay, you don't need to lose weight, you're beautiful just the way you are' and a little bit more tough love. You don't need to conform to media standards, but the moment you become overweight, you know something's wrong.
Rant over.
The last paragraph is excellent, I would +1 if I were able to.
Original post by Anime Lover
Seriously? XD Maybe we're buying the wrong things! All of their skirts just hang off me but their sizes might vary on both sides of the spectrum. They're definitely inaccurate sizes, whether they're over or under what the actual size should be 
Maybe! Haha. Yeah their skirts are the same with me. There's no logic to their sizes whatsoever!
Original post by Wilfred Little
Ignore the point made then.
Marilyn Monroe is/was slim and her bum is no more "curvy" than the bum of any woman her size. Yes it is quite flat considering she's being called curvy every 5 minutes. Not sure why you're getting so wound up.
Marilyn Monroe is/was slim and her bum is no more "curvy" than the bum of any woman her size. Yes it is quite flat considering she's being called curvy every 5 minutes. Not sure why you're getting so wound up.
I'm not getting wound up, but you have a misunderstanding of what curvy is. You can be curvy and not have a big bum. It's all about WHR, silly. And do you have an issue with me being a 6/8?
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by pandabird
Maybe! Haha. Yeah their skirts are the same with me. There's no logic to their sizes whatsoever!
Yeah, I just buy stuff based on how big it looks now rather than the size on the label XD
Original post by cambio wechsel
I think that for thousands of years and across a variety of countries and continents big was beautiful. It's the notion that thin is beautiful that's the comparatively recent arrival.
We did learn in psychology that to be bigger was once a sign of beauty as it suggested wealth and higher status in society because poor people were thin. In this society it's become vice versa. Being overweight is a sign of a lack of control, lack of understanding of health (and possible education) and is common among more deprived areas. I wouldn't necessarily suggest it was better back then, because you'd get the majority of people starving and struggling for food and then the elite few who ate feasts and so fat was a symbolic of being attractive. Which was kind of sick really. And in this day and age we have a better understanding of health it wouldn't be right to say obese is beautiful.
Original post by CodeJack
We would try and sugar coat it for them, but they might eat that too.
haha
be nice.Original post by KingMessi
I'd like to think that things like this are anomalies, confined to the vacuum of vacuity that is Facebook, but I assume you'll tell me this sort of occurrence is common? In any case, PRSOM...
One of my "friends" on facebook shared the overweight girl's pic yesterday. It has 250,000 likes, 60,000 shares and 45,000 comments all along the lines of "omg big is beautiful! real woman! x"
But I reckon people act and think very differently than facebook would lead you to believe...I bet most of the people commenting have judged a fat person at least once.
You're in denial. Everyone knows she was nothing like a size 14. Sorry. 
People who see her dresses in a museum say how tiny they are.
People who see her dresses in a museum say how tiny they are.(edited 11 years ago)
Yeah I was actually thinking this recently. I think its swung to far one way and now girls that are naturally skinny without big hips or boobs etc are presented as some sort of example of an unappealing body as opposed to a bigger girl with boobs and hips all over the show. There's nothing wrong with either.
Original post by Tabzqt
One of my "friends" on facebook shared the overweight girl's pic yesterday. It has 250,000 likes, 60,000 shares and 45,000 comments all along the lines of "omg big is beautiful! real woman! x"
But I reckon people act and think very differently than facebook would lead you to believe...I bet most of the people commenting have judged a fat person at least once.
But I reckon people act and think very differently than facebook would lead you to believe...I bet most of the people commenting have judged a fat person at least once.
I see. I do think that there is something very ironic about all of this. It is ironic that these people post things along the lines of 'I'm ready for the haterz', often in the knowledge that their ostensibly subversive actions of a) Being supposedly 'larger', and b) Having the audacity to post it on Facebook, will actually lead to them receiving large numbers of compliments - the epitome, almost, of reverse psychology.
Oh, of course. Facebook is almost as hypocritical as it is inane.
Original post by Slumpy
I probably didn't make as much sense as I could've there. I meant I'd had a 34" waist (say, I forget exact measurements at the time), and was wearing a pair of shorts labelled '30" waist'. Actual measurements I grant you won't match the waist size!
Okay, that is a factor too
but there are a lot of people I see who don't realise that clothes are meant to have ease... the skintight buttondown shirts that were everywhere in my sixth form, for example.
Original post by Slumpy
This one always annoys me. Monroe was an old school size 14, which is not the same as these days.
Also, this cross section (people who can't lose weight) accounts for an absolutely minimal proportion of the population.
Also, this cross section (people who can't lose weight) accounts for an absolutely minimal proportion of the population.
Actually its thought that 10-20% of women have polycystic ovaries.
Hardly minimal.
Then include everything else.
Original post by kunoichi
Actually its thought that 10-20% of women have polycystic ovaries.
Hardly minimal.
Then include everything else.
Hardly minimal.
Then include everything else.
Bold claim. Evidence?
Edit: Also, evidence that these 10-20% are sufficiently impaired that weight loss is practically impossible. This is really the bold claim.
(And FWIW, that's still certainly minimal.)
The backlash against the increasing prevalence of anorexia. Now overweight celebrities are beaten down for their "betrayal" for daring to lose weight, and fat is the new normal, with even the mere suggestion that someone is perhaps heavier than is healthy considered outrageous.
As a thin person, I'm sick to ****ing death of being called anorexic/underweight by my overweight family.
As a thin person, I'm sick to ****ing death of being called anorexic/underweight by my overweight family.
Original post by Slumpy
Bold claim. Evidence?
Edit: Also, evidence that these 10-20% are sufficiently impaired that weight loss is practically impossible. This is really the bold claim.
(And FWIW, that's still certainly minimal.)
Edit: Also, evidence that these 10-20% are sufficiently impaired that weight loss is practically impossible. This is really the bold claim.
(And FWIW, that's still certainly minimal.)
http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/pcos.html
http://www.endocrineonline.org/pdf%20box/pcos%2Bmet.pdf
As a sufferer ive had ton of converstaions with different doctors and specialists all who say the same thing. Even if you are not obese you do have to watch your food constantly because it isnt about the ovaries, which is really just a symptom, it is about the insulin resistance problems.
Again thyroid - 1 in 50 people is estimated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_health/conditions/thyroid1.shtml
I fail to see how 5-10% of the human population (for pcos) and thats not including the guys that are thought to have some form of it, but little research has been done on that, is minimal.
And like i said start including everything else that has effect on weight, you will see a considerable percentage of the population will probably have something that could contribute to weight gain.
Original post by kunoichi
http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/pcos.html
http://www.endocrineonline.org/pdf%20box/pcos%2Bmet.pdf
As a sufferer ive had ton of converstaions with different doctors and specialists all who say the same thing. Even if you are not obese you do have to watch your food constantly because it isnt about the ovaries, which is really just a symptom, it is about the insulin resistance problems.
Again thyroid - 1 in 50 people is estimated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_health/conditions/thyroid1.shtml
I fail to see how 5-10% of the human population (for pcos) and thats not including the guys that are thought to have some form of it, but little research has been done on that, is minimal.
And like i said start including everything else that has effect on weight, you will see a considerable percentage of the population will probably have something that could contribute to weight gain.
http://www.endocrineonline.org/pdf%20box/pcos%2Bmet.pdf
As a sufferer ive had ton of converstaions with different doctors and specialists all who say the same thing. Even if you are not obese you do have to watch your food constantly because it isnt about the ovaries, which is really just a symptom, it is about the insulin resistance problems.
Again thyroid - 1 in 50 people is estimated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_health/conditions/thyroid1.shtml
I fail to see how 5-10% of the human population (for pcos) and thats not including the guys that are thought to have some form of it, but little research has been done on that, is minimal.
And like i said start including everything else that has effect on weight, you will see a considerable percentage of the population will probably have something that could contribute to weight gain.
Bit busy to fully read these at the moment, but brief glance gives this:
Second link; 10% of women experience a symptom. Given we're talking about effects, this is the relevant figure. We're then told from the other one that some number may have insulin sensitivity issues. If you want to be taken seriously, you'd need to provide some kind of figure of the proportion of the population genuinely suffering from high level insulin issues. Even still, that does just mean you have to be a little more careful with what you eat, which is basically the same as getting a bit older. (And this is ignoring the apparent increased testosterone production, which is almost certainly offsetting.)
5-10% is a very small minority. That's just a fact. And having looked at this a bit, I can't remember ever seeing a decent sized study which finds any real number of people who didn't lose weight on a calorie controlled diet with exercise and vice versa. Whilst losing weight may be harder for some people than others (again, the extent to which this is true is up for debate), it's do-able for almost everyone. It's all about how much you want it. That many people don't care enough is fine (and clear), but to suggest it's only because of genetics or whatever is, in the main, wrong.
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