Is Sharia Law vs British Law - Which is more moral?

My apologies, I meant to say if not in public, not public.
So if I rape and murder 30 people,all in private and I don't own up, that's fine and I won't be punished??. Either you're wrong on this or Shariah is a disgusting law system.

My apologies, I meant to say if not in public, not public.
So if I rape and murder 30 people,all in private and I don't own up, that's fine and I won't be punished??. Either you're wrong on this or Shariah is a disgusting law system.

This is a way of trying to sell Shariah to those of us that are more liberal and progressive.

Essentially, many Muslims know that we will not tolerate persecution of Homosexuals, those who engage in pre-maritial sex and so forth. So whilst those are very obviously crimes in Islam they attempt to divert attention away from this by pointing out that there are various caveats to punishment in Shariah. For instance, to be prosecuted for Homosexuality in a perfect Shariah state, one would have to have been witnissed in the act by 4 reliable witnesses, or 4 reliable people must have over-heard you confessing or talking about the act. So the spin is that, 'Hey, as long as noone knows you're doing it, it's ok!'

Which really rather fails to address the issue that it should not be a criminal offence anyway. And obviously there are the issues around the application of Shariah and that nothing more than testimony is required to prosecute.

So yeah, it's spin to try and sell an opressive and disgustingly illiberal justice system to a those in a liberal, progressive society.

or, could it not be a mix of those two laws?

Who pays for it ?

Death for apostasy. Rape victims punished. Only an idiot would support sharia law. It would also make the system collapse.


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Death for Apostasy? Quran 2:256: "Let there be no compulsion in Religion"

Rape victims punished? That's a new one.. The punishment for the Rapist is Captital Punishment under Sharia Law.

This is a way of trying to sell Shariah to those of us that are more liberal and progressive.

Essentially, many Muslims know that we will not tolerate persecution of Homosexuals, those who engage in pre-maritial sex and so forth. So whilst those are very obviously crimes in Islam they attempt to divert attention away from this by pointing out that there are various caveats to punishment in Shariah. For instance, to be prosecuted for Homosexuality in a perfect Shariah state, one would have to have been witnissed in the act by 4 reliable witnesses, or 4 reliable people must have over-heard you confessing or talking about the act. So the spin is that, 'Hey, as long as noone knows you're doing it, it's ok!'

Which really rather fails to address the issue that it should not be a criminal offence anyway. And obviously there are the issues around the application of Shariah and that nothing more than testimony is required to prosecute.

So yeah, it's spin to try and sell an opressive and disgustingly illiberal justice system to a those in a liberal, progressive society.

The State does. The State is also obligated to provide food,clothing and shelter for all those that cannot afford it.

Sources: Religion of the PeaceWikipedia (I know its not entirely reliable...)

Qur'an 4:89 that is often quoted in Sharia courts as justification for the execution of an Apostate. Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 89 or Qur'an 4:89 [45] states that "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing: But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they (Apostate) turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them". This command to kill or slay is in all mainstream translations.

Islamic law rejects forensic evidence (such as DNA) in favor of testimony. An interesting situation thus sometimes develops in cases where a victim alleges rape and the man denies that sex even took place. In the absence of four male witnesses, rape cannot be proven. The woman's testimony then becomes a "confession" of adultery. She can be stoned, even though the male is unpunished, since he never "confessed" to a sexual act!

How funny the poll is 80/20 and the white british population is 80% and foreigners 20%

How funny the poll is 80/20 and the white british population is 80% and foreigners 20%

The verse that you have brought from 4:89 has been twisted and misquoted countless times.

Here is the full passage:

4:88: How is it with you that there are two opinions among you concerning the hypocrites,whereas Allah has turned them back (to their former state) because of the evils they have earned? Do you desire to show guidance to him whom Allah has let go astray? You cannot find a path for him whom Allah has turned away from the right path.

4:89: They really wish that you should also become disbelievers, as they themselves are so that both may become alike. So you should not take friends from among them unless they migrate in the way of Allah; and if they do not migrate, then seize them wherever you find them and slay them and do not take any of them as friends and helpers.

These verses were revealed by God to the Prophet Muhammed(Peace and Blessings be Upon Him) at a time when Muslims were being attacked by the Non-Muslims and the Hypocrites of Makkah on a regular basis and permission was given by God to the believers to fight those that were fighting them. So it is clear, the verse that you have brought has nothing to do with Apostasy.

Instead the Qur'an, is clearly against any punishment for Apostasy and God says in 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in Religion.

As for rape, what you have said about Islamic Law rejecting forensic science in a Court of Law is most definitely not true. Source: http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=12121&CATE=1

I don't want to get into the homosexuality debate but what on earth are you talking about? One would have to witness it in a public place and there must be 4 witnesses, this is what shariah law says, we dont make it up mate, get a book on shariah law.

As for the issue of it shouldnt be illigal in the first place, it wasnt legal here ten years ago, were the people of britain oppressive and illiberal?

What you want to get up to behind closed doors is nobodies business, Sir. And in regards to witnesses, there needs to be 4 that witness actual penetration. The 4 witnesses to hearsay that you mention is not true.

I'm sure most people have misconceptions about Sharia Law as we will probably see from some posts here. Did you know that under Sharia Law citizens are given free water,gas and electricity?