Topless Tunisians- what are your thoughts?

If I find a girl attractive I don't stare at them, why should it be different if her boobs are out? It should be the man's responsibility to practise some self restraint not the woman's responsibility to not get creeped out by drooling strangers. If somebody doesn't want you to stare at them then you shouldn't, it's just common decency. And I know what you're going to say: 'if you don't want people staring at you then don't be topless', but then we get back to the original point of men's sexual attraction overriding woman's freedom to do what she wants with her body.

By stating that the woman is simply 'crudely exposing a "sexual" part of her body' and 'satisfying male desire' you have entirely misunderstood what feminists are trying to achieve. The point is that her breasts should not be regarded first and foremost as a sexual object, it is objectifying women. She is a free human being and has the right to do whatever she likes with her body. If males perceive it as sexual or desirable, that is their problem. Not hers.

White knight (idiot) level over 9000!

White knight (idiot) level over 9000!

Hey look an idiot teenager here to show us the errors of our ways through internet memes, how exciting!

So it would be cool for me to just strip naked, walk out in the streets and show everyone my genitals?

No, because it's illegal.

Should it be? Yes.

Why? Because male exposure of genitals in public continues to be done in order to harass (with the exception of nudists: who are all round pretty chill guys and there's a part of me which is pretty down with the nudist movement on the whole), because we live in a society that necessitates male sexual dominance.

You can't argue that females should be allowed to expose themselves in public because they will be sexually objectified by men and then proceed to say that men shouldn't be allowed to expose themselves in public. A man is just as likely to be sexually objectified by a women. Is there anything wrong with that? No, because that's nature. Men and women shouldn't be allowed to expose themselves in public because it can be considered offensive, particularly when their are children around.

I'm arguing that in the context of the woman in question's situation, where she is living under extreme patriarchal oppression, the exposure of her breasts was a valid political statement. I'm not claiming women should just walk around with their boobs out all the time (why would they? It gets pretty darn chilly) and, as I've noted, in most cases of indecent exposure by men, it's done for the purpose of harassment. This is not the case with women, and this is because we live in a culture where males feel safer to act in a dominating manner.

Well in that context, my advice to her would be that if she doesn't like Tunisia she should either go through the proper channels, i.e. using words to talk about her problems, or upon failing that just leave and claim political asylum somewhere. How can you claim to know why men expose themselves. Again, I'm not condoning it, but why do women have to have a different reason to expose themselves? I'm not quite sure what society you're referring to, but how do you arrive at the conclusion that we live in a society where males feel 'safer' to act in a 'dominating' manner.

1. She has resorted to this because she lives in a society where words aren't getting her anywhere, if she can even use them at all.

2. Do you really think it's that easy to just leave your home country and claim political asylum elsewhere? You really are a deluded fool.

3. Anyone who doesn't see that we still live in a society where males are safer to act violently and aggressively towards women, and continue to do so, than vice versa, is an idiot, and isn't even worth the debate. One simply needs to look at rape, domestic abuse and sexual harassment statistics to see that.

I think you must be the deluded one, claiming that anyone who doesn't agree that we live in a society where males are in a better position to act violently is an idiot. One simply needs to look at the statistics? What about the statistics?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/143910/sexual-offending-overview-jan-2013.pdf.pdf


Source: The Ministry of Justice

69000 females, 9000 males estimated the victims of rape each year. That sufficient proof for you?

Rape

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

That doesn't prove anything. All it says is that more females are raped each year than men, and more specifically, by men. The legal definition does not allow for a woman to rape anyone. From legislation.gov.uk:

You genuinely believe that there aren't more sexual assaults of women by men than vice versa? Are you honestly telling me that is a sustainable belief?

If I find a girl attractive I don't stare at them, why should it be different if her boobs are out? It should be the man's responsibility to practise some self restraint not the woman's responsibility to not get creeped out by drooling strangers. If somebody doesn't want you to stare at them then you shouldn't, it's just common decency. And I know what you're going to say: 'if you don't want people staring at you then don't be topless', but then we get back to the original point of men's sexual attraction overriding woman's freedom to do what she wants with her body.

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Why? Are they your boobs? Staring at people is generally socially unacceptable. Why does not wearing a particular layer of clothing suddenly change this?

If I find a girl attractive I don't stare at them, why should it be different if her boobs are out? It should be the man's responsibility to practise some self restraint not the woman's responsibility to not get creeped out by drooling strangers. If somebody doesn't want you to stare at them then you shouldn't, it's just common decency. And I know what you're going to say: 'if you don't want people staring at you then don't be topless', but then we get back to the original point of men's sexual attraction overriding woman's freedom to do what she wants with her body.

You genuinely believe that there aren't more sexual assaults of women by men than vice versa? Are you honestly telling me that is a sustainable belief?

I most cases of indecent exposure by men, it's done for the purpose of harassment. This is not the case with women, and this is because we live in a culture where males feel safer to act in a dominating manner.