Are artists attention seekers?

Google is a great friend, and verifies my point:

"Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability to form new images and sensations that are not perceived through sight, hearing, or other senses"

Therefore, imagination is creation. Creation stems from creativity (in the form of imagination, for example), which results in art, be it an embryo or painting.

Maybe. But most of the scientific inventions have a practical use. Does any artistic invention have a practical use?

But you're just saying it without explaining it or backing it up. You're just regurgitating a load of bullet points instead of making it into a debate, or discussion.

But anyway, art is very important to society. Art helps create and shape the world we live in, and it is a form of self expression. Art is almost magical, it;s the ability to create something out of purely your own head. Science just discovers. Art creates.

1- Art also has practical applications. It can be extremely practical in the sense of typography, the fonts of which you are typing in right now. And also design isn't just art but also problem solving. For example an artist/designer can take advantage of the way that the human brain processes an image and draw attention to details that are intended.

2-When you navigate through a website the layouts are designed in a way that the brain can easily process without too much unnecessary confusion. Colours are used so that there is a sense of unity and consistency throughout the site to establish an identity within your head.

3-Really art just makes things easier to look at. So that something are fundamental as 'looking' isn't a chore.

I think you need to explain a bit more just how broadly you're talking here. What do mean by an artist? A person that paints? Or are we lumping in with them designers, fashion designers, photographers, anyone that comes from a background in art?

I'd say that "artistic inventions" such as a)the clothes that you wear, b)the packaging and advertising that persuades you into buying an item, c)the photos that you look at everyday whilst reading/watching the news, d)the websites that you use, e)the films and TV shows that you watch, all serve a useful purpose.

Your initial reply: "Art is self expression and individuality which is just as important to society as science."

My initial reply:

"0. Self-expression is important to society.

1. Art is self-expression. -> Your idea

2. Self-expression is not necessarily art. -> My idea

Thus,

Conclusion: art is not as important to society as science."

Elaboration in premise 2: I use my body daily to engage in acts of self-expression such as writing comments on Facebook or telling others how I feel. But this is not art. Hence not all self-expression is art.

"art is very important to society. Art helps create and shape the world we live in" You are being very vague.

"it;s the ability to create something out of purely your own head." that is imagination not art.

"Science just discovers. Art creates." both science and art use imagination in different ways. What does "just discovers" mean? It seems dismissive. Art (and especially modern) is dependent on science, just a reminder.

I didn't say art was the ONLY type of self expression.

Art can also help people through difficult times. It can be therapeutic and cathartic. Also people express themselves differently. Some of us express ourselves better through art than through writing, for example. So those are some practical uses. Art can inspire people to make changes. Someone seeing an artists work on a particular issue might feel inspires to help the issue.

The architecture. The clothes we wear. The gardens. The office building. Cars. Art comes into all of it in a way

I didn't mean to be dismissive, what I meant was art gives you the freedom to completely create something. Also, sometimes art is one of lifes luxuries. Like egyptian cotton sheets or the feeling when you get out of the bath

1-To elaborate the typography point. It forms the basis of the way that we're communicating right now, and it is strongly related to linguistics (which I guess you can call science? :P) But what I mean is that if someone wrote an incredibly profound thesis that can redefine the fundamental laws of physics, but it's in completely illegible handwriting then what's the point? Albeit we have computers and word processors nowadays, but who designed the fonts that we used?

And in the case of designers/artist problem solving. Without it life wouldn't be anywhere near as convenient as it is now. Take example, architecture. Why design a house where the moment that you walk through the door is an open space, a living room? Why no dump a bed in there? It's illogical and very counter-intuitive.

2- Yeah, it is... I guess art is an application often science/theory then? Making it important?

3- Thank you

PS. you come across as being very condescending, this may not be intended but its the vibe that I'm getting.

Science cannot exist without art, especially in the subconscious minds and understanding. Think about that.

Those who pretend to be artists are, those who are artists are not. So how to distinguish between art and attention-seeking-crap-a-4-year-old-could-do? The amount of talent it took to do it. If it was little, then it is a statement and not art. If a vast amount of skill, then it is art which might also make a statement.

Maybe. But most of the scientific inventions have a practical use. Does any artistic invention have a practical use?

My point? I just asked people to discuss something. You gave me your opinion and I gave you mine.

Ever heard of minimalist art? They try to keep it simple.

Yup - bad art at best. Takes little to no skill and a child could do it.

1.Well actually, you told me to go and read a post which wasn't really relevant.

2.From reading your posts to other people, it seems like you're basically trying to prove that art has no purpose/importance and doesn't make a contribution to anything. Which is a completely different subject to that that you invited people to discuss..


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1-Actually, a heck of a lot of science is totally useless as far as 'practical' applications go. 2-In general, science is about understanding the world (universe) around us; it isn't all about engineering which is generally recognised as a separate discipline.

3-At some stage you have to question how you interpret practical. I mean, my goals in life aren't just to survive and use convenience products; I also want to enjoy myself and expand my mind.5- Various art forms have a great 'practical' use for me since books, music, films etc. are tools I use to think and enjoy myself. On the other hand, the theory of say, cosmology isn't of any practical use to me since it doesn't interest me as much as other things.