America - like to hit but not get hit

Because the job of the American government is to protect American citizens and they would rather 10 civilians died in a drone strike that kills a leader of a cell plotting to murder 100 Americans than allow a terrorist attack against the US.

The aim of 9/11 was purely to murder as many civilians in one go as possible to make a statement against US support of Israel and US troops in Saudi Arabia. It's pretty clear from the motives and methods. Civilian jet lines into a civilian building filled with civilians.

Lets have a realistic analogy here, 50 civilians dead for 1 terrorist. The use of drone attacks is unnecessary, the are tons of other methods to eliminate these individuals with much less loss of civilian life.

No, the aim of 9/11 was to make a statement against US support of Israel and US troops in Saudi Arabia, the means of doing it was to kill civilians. About methods, dropping bombs in populated areas full of civilians, what would you call that?

The numbers speak for themselves, 2,996 civilians died during the 9/11. A hardly comparable figure to the 110,937-121,227 civilian deaths in Iraq alone since 2003.

As some-one that knows a lot of servicemen and women, the kind of **** peddled by some people here gets under my skin.

Nah, I'd say leaving bombs around that maim anyone that happens across them and blowing up crowded market places is worse.

the Muslim brotherhood has been active since the 20's.

They die, so its ok because its a "reality of war", when some guy (assuming a Muslim did the boston thing) retaliates in kind, its suddenly not ok.I mean they are both equally wrong and unjustifiable but strange how one seems more ok to you then the other.

Right, but negging me is the appropriate response?

Bombs can be discovered. Drones strike silently without warning.

Bombs can be discovered. Drones strike silently without warning.

Of course the victims of the attacks on America don't deserve it - what wrong did they do? Nothing. Likewise the hundreds of thousands of innocent people the Americans have killed in their 'quest' don't deserve it.

Ultimately America must stop their barbaric acts across the world for there to ever be peace. They are responsible for the calamity the world is in today.

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I didn't, but it's cute that you care so much



You have a naive view of warfare. I'd use a drone strike everytime if it meant less of my servicemen being killed.

So bombs that are directly aimed at causing civilian casualties are, in fact, good?

You think they're designed to be discovered? What you're really saying is "America deserved this and Muslim lives are more valuable than Western ones"

Yea, no.

Take the New York bombing attempt. Bomb was found. There is a chance to stop it. Drones, nothing can be done. And that creates terror. They can strike anywhere at any time and you have maybe seconds before you realize what is going on. Creates fear.

It seems like terrorist attack are only condonable when they happen in the west as this is when the media speaks about it. Did you know that when the Boston bombing occurred 75 people were killed in Iraq by car bombs? When people in the third world die all is muted in the media but when Americans die it's another story. Did you also know that 6% of the terrorist attacks on US soils are done by Muslims? Yet it seems like we are the ones who do all the terrorism. People who died in Iraq may make more than million. For every American lost a figure of 100 Muslims died during those last three decades. The Muslims who are killed are direct or indirect consequences of official government policies whereas the Americans who are killed by Muslims are victims of non state terrorist groups. The more the war on terror goes on the more moderate Muslims voices who wish for cooperation are silenced. Was the Iraq war even justified? Means to get to a country's oil as no weapons of mass destruction were found if you ask mean. The sanction on Iraq killed 100,000 to 500,000 children and what did Madeline Albright say ''it's worth it''. If we go back to the past each time a country who has oil (or any thing of interest) is against the US they are said to be the enemies. The coups d'état in 1953 in Iran, the 1954 Guatemalan coups d'état etc. The US was messing around infringing the democracies that third world countries elected. Is it normal to want to control nations? 50,000 tons of explosives where dropped on innocent civilians in Afghanistan. Al Qaida in Syria is a friend while in Afghanistan it's an enemy. The media are silent when it comes to Bahrain's revolution where 60% of the Shia population are discriminated by the government. Each day in Bahrain people die for freedom. Yet, the U.S are with Al-Khalifa. And lets not start to talk about Israel who are occupying the west bank and Gaza yet they are supported by the US. Let's do a little history: 65% of non Jewish population were given 43% of the land while 35% of the Jewish were given 56%. Now look at Obama's claim that ''Israel has every right to defend itself'' while Israel played a decisive role in the military escalation. My cousins are Palestinians and lived in Gaza. They saw first hand the horror in there. Last thing to say for people who pretend that Islam is a religion of violence: mercy, compassion and love are mentioned in the Quran over 350 times, while Jihad which in its true sense means to clean one's spirit is mentioned less than 50 times. In the end, I believe that staging coups d'états, killing tons of civilians, entering war without any proofs of weapon of mass destruction, supporting despotic regimes, Guantanamo etc. are just a few examples of inhuman acts. The value of an African, Asian or Middle-Eastern is worth as much as the life of an American. We deserve democracy, we deserve peace, we deserve that the killing stops and we deserve to walk on free land. When the subventions of cottons in the US or the military budget is more than the help for the LDS you know something is wrong.

I'm sorry, but the claim that an IED targeting civilians can be discovered and is therefore morally superior is a nonsensical distinction that only exists in your own fevered imagination.

Yea, no.

Take the New York bombing attempt. Bomb was found. There is a chance to stop it. Drones, nothing can be done. And that creates terror. They can strike anywhere at any time and you have maybe seconds before you realize what is going on. Creates fear.

Surely this is the truth. Can anyone justifiably say that what America is doung across the world is not terrorism?

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IED. Lulz. So a "bomb" made by a company is morally justifiable but as soon as something that explodes is not made by a company it's the evil IED.

Obama recently said that if at any time innocent people are killed by bombs its an act of terror, he is also the guy who killed thousands of innocents in Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Somalia so yh it is the truth. Even if it is a war against the "islamists" like the taliban it doesnt justify the innocents killed in between. Also some grous like the taliban were trained by America so its also a matter of, once we are done with u, u will become known as a terrorist.

It was not I, but you, who are ascribing superior morality to one form of bomb over another.