Do people have the moral 'right' to call each other fat?

You're an old user and we've had this dance many times before. I know what side of the scale you are on so I'm not presuming anything.

"Slightly nazi", wow, what a spectacular argument. Or how about I don't want to live with miserable people who lack ambition, self control, motivation, the ability to deal with emotional issues etc. But just to make it fair, I would want a lot of people kicked out of this country for numerous reasons, not just overweight people, though that would be 62% of England...so it really is a massive problem.

excuse me but I don't remember ever telling you my weight. my bmi is perfectly normal though I don't see what ****ing business it is of yours.

tbh the fact that you associate all these negative traits with people who are overweight is your problem, not theirs. in fact I think it's quite possible that you're projecting all these traits onto other people, when actually they're yours.
like I said. brighten up.

I have only two problems with fat people (who are not fat for a medical reason that cannot be combated) that I can think of.

The first, smaller, issue is that they're too big a strain on public health services. If they just got with the programme and sorted out their lifestyle and lost some weight, this wouldn't be the case.

The second and larger issue for me is that as more and more people become overweight or even obese, society panders to their emotional needs regarding their weight and it becomes normalised, leading to a culture of not mentioning weight enough and there not being strong enough focus on an ideal, for people to know exactly what they should be aiming for to be hitting the best quality of life they can. Before I went through a phase of watching The Biggest Loser I would never have thought to lift weights, at all. Society doesn't tell women (or men, for that matter) that they should be doing weight exercises. It's still seen too much as this niche thing that guys who are obsessed with bodybuilding do - and women are steered in the direction of cardio, cardio, cardio if anything at all.

No, you didn't tell me but you did tell another user Shall I send you pictures of cake?

How do you even work out any of that? Just answer this, do people actively choose and seek to become overweight?

let's see...can you post some proof of that?

it's really not a difficult assumption. just basic psychology. people tend to portray their negative qualities onto other people.

I'm not going to argue with someone so immature they need to make food jokes. Grow Up.

Oh wow...you didn't answer my question. What a surprise.
So here it is one last time : do people actively choose and seek to become overweight?

1. If they are having difficulty breathing, moving, etc. then they know they need to lose weight. They don't need smug nannies and Perfect Peters telling them what to do, when they already know. You're reinforcing the issue and actually making it worse.

2. Then they are not confident, but insecure, truly confident people do not need to put others down to reinforce their confidence. That's bullying and wrong.

3. If they're merely chubby why should they change? No health issues, no difficulty breathing or moving, no problems. Unless you want them to be just like everyone else.

4. But why is it necessary when they're not oblivious to their own weight? I don't think it's offensive, but I do think it's the nanny state telling people to keep their weight under control, when people aren't dumb.

That's not even true and is completely sensationalist (never mind the fact that size zero doesn't effectively exist in this country). No one thinks muffin top makes someone fat and if anything magazines nowadays praise female celebs for their 'curves'. If anything general society is becoming more accepting of the idea that being fat is normal as people consider size 14 and 16 to be so just because it is the average. We don't have a malnourishment problem in this country but an obesity one so there's no point arguing to the contrary.

I've never heard anyone say to themselves "I'm going to stuff myself and become fat".

I don't see your point though.

See my Edit.

also why do you assume all fat people are single in some of your posts? I'd say most manage to form meaningful relationships at some point in their life.
if 62% of the population is fat, it cant be possible that 62% of the adult population is single.

Nothing wrong with overeating and not exercising, it's their choice - as long as they don't affect others.
Nothing wrong with smoking, it's their choice - as long as they don't hurt others.
Nothing wrong with drug-taking, it's their choice - as long as it's for private use.
Get the picture?

Good for you if you don't want to be fat, it's your choice, and I believe you can disapprove of others choice to do so. But 1) don't expect them to change just because you said so, and 2) don't get upset when they point out your flaws.

Ok, well clearly you didn't pick up on what I wrote or where I'm going with this.
If no one chooses to become fat, then it is an accidental byproduct of other actions.
Now what makes someone become overweight? And no, ill health is no an answer for over 90% of overweight people.

I never assume fat people are single, just that fat people will never be with someone attractive. Well that 62% is an equal split of men and women, and like attracts like.

I've never heard anyone say to themselves "I'm going to stuff myself and become fat".

I don't see your point though.

See my Edit.

also why do you assume all fat people are single in some of your posts? I'd say most manage to form meaningful relationships at some point in their life.
if 62% of the population is fat, it cant be possible that 62% of the adult population is single.

You may not have heard anyone say it but they have still made a decision to become fat.

Whatever you say captain.

Ok, well clearly you didn't pick up on what I wrote or where I'm going with this.
If no one chooses to become fat, then it is an accidental byproduct of other actions.
Now what makes someone become overweight? And no, ill health is no an answer for over 90% of overweight people.

I never assume fat people are single, just that fat people will never be with someone attractive. Well that 62% is an equal split of men and women, and like attracts like.

In the past it used to be a sign of wealth and class to be overweight.

Sure and now it tends to be a sign of poverty and ignorance, the ability to only live off a diet of frozen pizza and chips.

Are you deliberately being obtuse? People who are overweight will have more sick days, will likely be lazier, lack self control, emotional support etc. As I have said, being fat is a unwanted byproduct of another problem. WHy are you in absolute denial about this? Do you honestly think 62% of people said "Hey! lets get fat !"?

Again, you are not reading what I post. We all pay the fine in taxes. Most overweight people will take more from the NHS then they contribute. You keeping up with that?

How is losing weight not going to benefit them?

Before you said you where. Why the change in mind?

See above.
No one is perfect, but being overweight shows only very bad qualities. You are warping reality with liberalism. You make out that people are not instinctively affected by becoming fat, that they don't emotionally change etc. They do. Go use google scholar if you want to argue otherwise.

See above. Basing someone on their actions is a pretty damn good idea. Not too is flat out retarded.

Everything you say is just stupid assumption after stupid assumption. My cousin is overweight and she has an attractive boyfriend. Theyre very happy and have been together for over a year.
And you did imply in the post that i originally quoted, that if youre fat youre going to be single. Which is BS.

It's also a sin to bully.