Why abortion is wrong.

If you care so goddamn much about lowering abortion rates, go out and promote contraception, thus preventing pregnancy in the first place. Funny how when women like me who have had abortions have commented, you retreat right into your shell and say nothing. I think you are a coward and a hypocrite. You show all the empathy in the world for unborn foetuses, yet none whatsoever for grown human adults who are in horrible situations because of pregnancy. How about this case for starters: http://www.salon.com/2013/04/18/critically_ill_woman_faces_jail_time_if_she_goes_forward_with_life_saving_abortion/

This is what happens when abortion is illegal. Women face imprisonment for having valid miscarriages, women who need abortions to save their own lives are punished, women who are raped are forced to raise the children of their rapists, women who do not want children or cannot support children financially, socially or otherwise are forced to have them regardless. By promoting an end to abortion, you are promoting what the UN describes as TORTURE. http://www.policymic.com/articles/30925/un-report-classifies-lack-of-access-to-abortion-as-torture

You know what torture is, right? Would you like to be tortured? Do you think any human adult deserves to be tortured because of another human who doesn't even exist yet?

You clearly have NO concept of what it is like to have an abortion, the valid reasons for having abortion, nor the ways in which a foetus develops, and thus your opinion remains just that, an OPINION. Thank god that the rest of the world isn't as ignorant as you.

Oh, and by the way, two abortions down and I'll probably have more in my lifetime. So will hundreds of thousands of other women. Get the hell over it. There are more important things to worry about rather than bullying women who decide to take their lives into their own hands. Women always have, and always will have abortions, whether you bloody like it or not. The state should provide services for abortion because otherwise, women are denied basic healthcare rights - basic HUMAN RIGHTS. If you don't want an abortion, then don't have one. Until then, how about you keep your hurtful and bigoted opinions to yourself.

Wow you know a few children in care who are happy?! Does that mean they ALL must be happy then? Does it account for the other 91,000? (and thats just the UK...)

I have a ball in my hand. I drop the ball, now with interfering without the ball it will most definitely fall to the floor. This is its natural cycle. I let go, ball falls, ball hits the ground. The fact that the ball will fall is a fact. Now let me ask you, what is the difference between me releasing the ball, catching it before it even leaves my hand and burning it and me dropping the ball and catching it half-way and burning it. The answer is; there is none! You end a natural cycle before its definite end, you kill of the emotions, the experiences it was definitely going to have; you have killed a person.

Now let me give you some statistics:

196,082 abortions in the UK in 2011
44,000,000 abortions (that is 44 million) in the world
Let me put this in to perspective, in 10 years you have killed more than the population of the united States.

7% of abortions are for either a consequence of rape or health problems to the mother. The rest is because of social reasons. This just infuriates me, if you don't kill your fellow man to steal his money why kill your own child?

Millions are killed every year because people are unable to make an emotional connection with them just because they are bound in a sack of skin. The same people that say "How could the Nazis kill millions of people" well they did it the same way you do!

(the You refers to everyone supporting abortion)

Thank you for reading,

Gray Wolf


http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/24/abortion-statistics-england-wales

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/Sedgh-Lancet-2012-01.pdf

If you care so goddamn much about lowering abortion rates, go out and promote contraception, thus preventing pregnancy in the first place. Funny how when women like me who have had abortions have commented, you retreat right into your shell and say nothing. I think you are a coward and a hypocrite. You show all the empathy in the world for unborn foetuses, yet none whatsoever for grown human adults who are in horrible situations because of pregnancy. How about this case for starters: http://www.salon.com/2013/04/18/critically_ill_woman_faces_jail_time_if_she_goes_forward_with_life_saving_abortion/

This is what happens when abortion is illegal. Women face imprisonment for having valid miscarriages, women who need abortions to save their own lives are punished, women who are raped are forced to raise the children of their rapists, women who do not want children or cannot support children financially, socially or otherwise are forced to have them regardless. By promoting an end to abortion, you are promoting what the UN describes as TORTURE. http://www.policymic.com/articles/30925/un-report-classifies-lack-of-access-to-abortion-as-torture

You know what torture is, right? Would you like to be tortured? Do you think any human adult deserves to be tortured because of another human who doesn't even exist yet?

You clearly have NO concept of what it is like to have an abortion, the valid reasons for having abortion, nor the ways in which a foetus develops, and thus your opinion remains just that, an OPINION. Thank god that the rest of the world isn't as ignorant as you.

Oh, and by the way, two abortions down and I'll probably have more in my lifetime. So will hundreds of thousands of other women. Get the hell over it. There are more important things to worry about rather than bullying women who decide to take their lives into their own hands. Women always have, and always will have abortions, whether you bloody like it or not. The state should provide services for abortion because otherwise, women are denied basic healthcare rights - basic HUMAN RIGHTS. If you don't want an abortion, then don't have one. Until then, how about you keep your hurtful and bigoted opinions to yourself.

I have a ball in my hand. I drop the ball, now with interfering without the ball it will most definitely fall to the floor. This is its natural cycle. I let go, ball falls, ball hits the ground. The fact that the ball will fall is a fact. Now let me ask you, what is the difference between me releasing the ball, catching it before it even leaves my hand and burning it and me dropping the ball and catching it half-way and burning it. The answer is; there is none! You end a natural cycle before its definite end, you kill of the emotions, the experiences it was definitely going to have; you have killed a person.

Now let me give you some statistics:

196,082 abortions in the UK in 2011
44,000,000 abortions (that is 44 million) in the world
Let me put this in to perspective, in 10 years you have killed more than the population of the united States.

7% of abortions are for either a consequence of rape or health problems to the mother. The rest is because of social reasons. This just infuriates me, if you don't kill your fellow man to steal his money why kill your own child?

Millions are killed every year because people are unable to make an emotional connection with them just because they are bound in a sack of skin. The same people that say "How could the Nazis kill millions of people" well they did it the same way you do!

(the You refers to everyone supporting abortion)

Thank you for reading,

Gray Wolf


http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/24/abortion-statistics-england-wales

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/Sedgh-Lancet-2012-01.pdf

Actually, the majority of DNA in a fish is the same. Same with great apes, bananas, ...

Why this obsession with biological matter? As I've said before, this cold, biological perspective on human life degrades humanity far more than the pro choice perspective

my opinion of the value of human life is based on more important things than that....valuing a human being for their personality, the love it took for them to exist, their thoughts and wishes, their experiences.

It's almost materialistic to call something with human DNA "human" just because it has that DNA. What if we recombine the entire human genome into a virus?

It's the human condition that makes a human special.

Most retarded analogy I've ever read. The reason it is flawed is that a ball does not change as it falls, an embryo changes as it matures. I am a doctor of tomorrow and I support pro choice. If you have a problem with that feel free to pm me and I will flame you down to hell, because honestly, there are legitimate ethical considerations that need to be considered in abortions. But your view is lack and white, is judgemental, and is wrong. And by that I mean it is factually wrong. A better analogy would be would you kill a fly compared to killing a mouse compared to killing a dog compared to killing an ape compared to killing a human. At least that would acknowledge that it isn't a lack and white issue and that where you draw the line is a point that can be argued upon.

Being in a stable relationship doesnt mean you're ready to have your life ripped apart by an unwanted child.

Aborting is taking responsibility for your actions

its not an easy way out, its something they will have to live with the rest of their lives.

I do know that and take the necessary precautions, and I shouldn't be punished if an accident occurs. My body, my rules, and no-one will ever take my right to control my destiny away from me.

Most retarded analogy I've ever read. The reason it is flawed is that a ball does not change as it falls, an embryo changes as it matures. I am a doctor of tomorrow and I support pro choice. If you have a problem with that feel free to pm me and I will flame you down to hell, because honestly, there are legitimate ethical considerations that need to be considered in abortions. But your view is lack and white, is judgemental, and is wrong. And by that I mean it is factually wrong. A better analogy would be would you kill a fly compared to killing a mouse compared to killing a dog compared to killing an ape compared to killing a human. At least that would acknowledge that it isn't a lack and white issue and that where you draw the line is a point that can be argued upon.

they're completely irrelevant.

The main function of sex is pregnancy.

The main reason people buy a car is to get to places.

:/

begging the question.
there is no absolute that your life will not be ripped apart by being pregnant and giving birth. there are laws in the u.k. that prevent descrimination in work place which applies to pregnant women. there are several groups that help mothers in the process of being pregnant.

If you care so much about lowering abortion rates, go out and promote contraception, thus preventing pregnancy in the first place.

Funny how when women like me who have had abortions have commented, you retreat right into your shell and say nothing.
I think you are a coward and a hypocrite.

You show all the empathy in the world for unborn foetuses, yet none whatsoever for grown human adults who are in horrible situations because of pregnancy.

How about this case for starters: http://www.salon.com/2013/04/18/critically_ill_woman_faces_jail_time_if_she_goes_forward_with_life_saving_abortion/

This is what happens when abortion is illegal. Women face imprisonment for having valid miscarriages,

women who are raped are forced to raise the children of their rapists,

women who do not want children or cannot support children financially

can not support child socially

or otherwise are forced to have them regardless.

By promoting an end to abortion, you are promoting what the UN describes as TORTURE. http://www.policymic.com/articles/30925/un-report-classifies-lack-of-access-to-abortion-as-torture

....because of another human who doesn't even exist yet?

You clearly have NO concept of what it is like to have an abortion, the valid reasons for having abortion, nor the ways in which a foetus develops, and thus your opinion remains just that, an OPINION.

Oh, and by the way, two abortions down and I'll probably have more in my lifetime.

There are more important things to worry about rather than bullying women who decide to take their lives into their own hands.

Women always have, and always will have abortions

The state should provide services for abortion because otherwise, women are denied basic healthcare rights - basic HUMAN RIGHTS.

Until then, how about you keep your hurtful and bigoted opinions to yourself.

What about a couple who dont have jobs yet?

a couple at uni for example...

...at what point is their life not ruined?

At what point do you think they'd stop resenting this child?

taking responsibility does not mean looking after it at all, it means making the best decision to remedy the problem...

you think a woman will just get on with her life afterwards?

the abortion process after a certain time is horrendous and down right traumatizing, its going to stay with her for the rest of her life, its going to haunt her, she's going to hate herself at times.

Women who have had one abortion do not suffer adverse psychological effects. In fact, as a group, they have higher self-esteem, greater feelings of worth and capableness, and fewer feelings of failure than do women who have had no abortions or who have had repeat abortions (Russo & Zierk, 1992; Zabin et al., 1989)

Care homes are already full, why add more unwanted children, children who will grow up knowing they were a mistake, a child who may not ever be adopted, a child who will grow up knowing it was never loved...and who do you think that child will blame? themselves, they'll be miserable, they'll be angry, they'll be insecure...why force a child to live like that

how is that better than ending the "life" where there's no consciousness, the only person being hurt is the woman.

That's like saying if you don't want to get hit by another driver and die, don't buy a car.

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Except that sex exists for the purpose of procreation...
You don't buy cars in order to get hit by other cars...

I'm pro-abortion by the way, your analogy comparison is just terrible.

a car collision killing your child and wife. that's having a family or your "life" ripped apart. having someone kill your child, that's having your life ripped part. birth is not some condition a condition in which you state "life ripped a part".

I know a couple that had a child at uni. they continued to go and enjoy their blessing. I know a coupe that had a child and were not going to college. they married and now are trying to go to college. I met a woman, late 40's, who managed an international corporation and her family. I met her at college. she was finishing her higher education. A man finished his high school diploma at age 80 - he missed it because of WW2. a grandmother has walked the line, with her granddaughter, to receive her degree. these are not opportunities missed, just changed.

neither condition merits abortion. it does, however merit the condition of being a family and supporting those in trouble that you know. it supports the need of govt. or non-profit ran organizations that help people in times as you have described. thing is these organizations exist, but have been over looked.

the point when they are still living and may continue to exist w/o the guilt or hardship of knowing they killed their own child. as you so point out - "abortion process after a certain time is horrendous and down right traumatizing".

the point they finally receive the help they deserve and realize their condition is due to their actions, and therefore should not be acted out as a death penalty to their kid. to the point of realizing that the child is not a burden of no joy, but an investment and responsibility that leads to joy. only realized if your ideology of abandonment and resentment is deserted.

yes it does, look it up in a dictionary. I got the definition online.

1.The state or fact of having a duty to deal with something.
what is the responsibility of a parent? what is their duty? to help their offspring live. to provide luxuries? no provide things? no. to live? absolutely.
2.The state or fact of being accountable or to blame for something
the only way to being accountable for a child/human offspring is to take care of it. you don't take care of things by letting them die, nor killing them.

your livelihood is not your life.
NO. I have not said that, so don't put words in my mouth!
you just stated one of the reasons why I, like so many who have gone through the abortion process, am against abortion. if this thing is so horrendous, then why allow just anyone to buy into it? why not reserve it for the most disastrous and unfortunate conditions, such as - the life of the mother is at risk?

straight from a planned parenthood web site:
"Abortion as a Positive Coping Mechanism"

how can a thing you describe as horrendous be used as a "mechanism" for coping?


does this not seem backwards to you? you have one abortion, absolutely no effect. you have two, and into the shark tank you go? if something is able to effect you in a negative way the second time, it can do the same the first.

it is clear that the ones saying there that a woman can just "move one with her life" is not me, nor the pro-life movement (according to the articles/speeches I have read from them), but the pro-abortion facilities and researchers.

I have said time and time again. they don't have to live in that manner. I have known boys and girls of many diversities that are not happy. but this does not mean they should die and the possibility of being unhappy does not merit the death penalty.

also, have you read the post about how much the costs of abortion adds up?


you can still exist and enjoy life. some of the happiest people I met are the ones w/o instead of the rich stuck up punks. possibility does not merit death.

It proves that the prior claim, “you should have an abortion or let the kid be not happy or suffer in life (based on being unhappy)”, is a false dilemma.
It does not have to be that way.


Let’s go over “happy”. No human is happy all the time. Kids become unhappy by spilling milk, losing a game, and all sorts of reasons. So to say you should kill a human offspring just because they will be unhappy is asinine. You really want to kill over spilled milk?

now, if someone really wants to complain about the conditions a child may meet. first look at abortion funding.

in the states, planned parenthood generated 201 million usd. in 2011
in the u.k. taxpayers spent "£118m on abortions in 2010."

now, lets say abortion became illegal. all that money could go to making sure that kids for adoption have awesome facilities, great health care, etc. & low income families could receive way more help than they already do.

there are plenty of groups that help now, but this much money pushed into the system would be like walking on a gold road.

Only no. I'm not referring to why it exists, it's why people do it. People don't always have sex to make babies, people don't always drive cars to get from A to B. That's why Formula One etc. exist, or the concept of a Sunday drive, or why people buy cars to show off etc.

And yes "then they shouldn't have sex" is a stupid thing to say, Oh, you were in a car accident? Well you shouldn't have driven ever in the first place then.