Why abortion is wrong.

So wait, if you're saying it's wrong to kill a baby in the womb because it's murder etc etc

Why aren't you stressing over the real murders? The adults and young children who are murdered every day. Those who are bombed in other countries and those who are killed by horrible parents etc, that worse and you haven't touched on that. Focus on the **** that is happening to actual babies/adults before you touch on the unborn.

Why aren't you stressing over the real murders?

from conception. we are all human - all deserve respect and be given the right to life (in exclusion to self defense). it is based on human rights, which is due to/for those who are human beings.

To use another JJ Thomson analogy, do you feel the term "acorn" is synonymous with "oak tree"? Because to say that an embryo is a human from conception is suggesting something similar. Or, to use perhaps my favourite one from Glover, would you suggest raw cake mix is synonymous with an actual cake?

Tree?
there are many oak trees out there, lets narrow it to 1: shingle oak.

referred to as Quercus imbricaria, as it is the scientific name.
the acorn is in fact an Quercus imbricaria. it may not be a tree, but a tree (and the acorn) is only a portion of the Quercus imbricaria entire life. just like how you are an embryo or an adult for just a portion or part of your human life cycle.



cake mix?
this analogy does not work. you have a mixture or many things that may be turned into many things. you do not have a single path. two parents to an offspring. two human parents may only procreate a human offspring/child

You missed the point. If you had a fully grown oak tree, would you feel morally justified chopping it down? If you had an acorn, would you feel justified not growing it?

-Suicide is not illegal in the UK and hasn't been since 1961

-Reactions to stimuli do not show consciousness or ability to feel pain, we know the spinal cord reflexes develop before the CNS and neural development doesn't finish until about the age of 2. At 20 weeks it's pretty certain the embryo cannot perceive anything consciously or feel pain.

-Parents don't have a right to choose to kill their child after birth because its passed the point (about 24 weeks) where it can feel pain, a common landmark for forbidding unnecessary abortion. The baby is also not a part of the mother's body after birth, hence she is not affected by the baby remaining alive.

-your argument is from emotion, with no substance behind it, making it weak.


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I only believe abortion is wrong when its used as a method of contraception or have had a drunken one night stand I know a fair few girls who had unprotected sex, didnt take the morning after pill and then as a result ended up pregnant, I think that abortion is wrong when irresponsible idiots get themseleves pregnant but not using protection and then think they can just have an abortion and everything is okay and lifes a bed of roses

However I think in the case of rape, the health of the mother or the baby or infact if the person was using contraception and that by accident they ended up pregnant then no abortion is not wrong, isint it wrong to say force a 14 year old girl who got raped to keep a baby she never wanted, is it a right for a 25 year old woman who was taking care of her own sexual health and was cautious but the condom split and she ended up pregnant to have to bring a child into the world she nevert wanted ? Surelyits better that these people abort the babies rather than bring them into the world when clearly the parents never wanted them and will not be able to provide for it??

Another thing I disagree with abortion is people who leave it till there very late into the preganacy verging on the limit for abortion unless its medical I think its digsuting that people abort at 20 odd weeks when they are pregnant. I have no issues with abortion but really leaving it so long is just a terrible thing to do atleast do it as soon as you find out when its not an actually baby.

Why so much hate for these women? Why should their lifestyles have anything to do with their choices, given that the vast majority of pregnancies are terminated before 13 weeks, there's actually not queues of women at 20 weeks getting abortions. It can be extremely traumatic and having people reduce it to "oh, your fault for having unprotected sex" is really hurtful. Have some empathy and try not to sound so vicious about women you don't even know.

Why so much hate for these women? Why should their lifestyles have anything to do with their choices, given that the vast majority of pregnancies are terminated before 13 weeks, there's actually not queues of women at 20 weeks getting abortions. It can be extremely traumatic and having people reduce it to "oh, your fault for having unprotected sex" is really hurtful. Have some empathy and try not to sound so vicious about women you don't even know.

Worrying. Particularly as many midwives are involved with terminations and miscarriages, I would hope that she learns how to evoke a little sympathy for real patients.

There is a quote button, thank you. If you're going to talk about me, do it directly, at least.

Yes, I am fully aware that Midwives deal with that side of things. And I am 100% dedicated to helping those women get through the experience safely and with the least amount of added stress possible. Your personal feelings shouldn't, and can't, come into it when you're a Midwife. Work and personal opinion are seperate. I am allowed my own personal opinion on this issue.

I have more than enough empathy. Doesn't mean I agree with it, though.

Actually, some midwives are quite keen on shunning certain aspects of their job due to personal reasons, so whilst its unusual it's not impossible.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22279857

Any medical professional can allow their personal opinions to get in the way of treatment, that, however, doesn't mean it should. You're taught that in Uni.

Rubbish, you put words in the poster's mouth with your snarky, sarcastic comparison of infanticide with bringing up a child in a broken home.


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Fair enough. Well I hope you are as good and kind a midwife as all the ones I have met, it's a wonderful profession.

Interesting, isn't it? How the same people who call themselves 'pro-life' seem to be very much okay with cutting support for the poorest and most in need members of society when it saves them a pretty penny in taxes. It's a point most people overlook in debates.