Oxford gang found guilty of grooming and sexually exploiting girls

If it was a group of Christian believers who had been found guilty of child abuse (which yes, has happened), would you blame God?

Mohammed had sex with a child. Did God? Not even sure what this has to do with Christianity.

Simple question. When Muslims are found guilty of child abuse, do you blame the religion? When Christians do it, do you also blame their religion?

Funny how you make nothing of it when there's white rapists caught (which is everyday), there's only a few hundred asians who have ever been caught for such crimes out of millions of asians. White gangs get no where near as much media attention.

Pardon me I misunderstood the part about ethnicity. All I am saying is lets not label them Muslims yet. It is safe to assume and by all means investigate based on the assumption, if there is any link. But for now I would only label them savages.

If people of said religion take examples of a prophet that had sex with a child, then yes I will believe that the religion played apart in it, whatever that religion may be.

Does that answer your question?

Of course, I fully agree. But it becomes dangerous when people take such delicate issues and paint all of Islam as being a degenerate, child-abusing religion. There's many Muslims who realise that Islam should not be followed to the letter if it flouts 21st century British law, just like many Christians realise the same about their religion.

I'm not religious in the slightest, but some of the replies in this thread make me feel uncomfortable. It's good that people are intelligently discussing the underlying, root cause of child abuses, but there's quite a few posts which are nothing more than outright racism under the guise of moral outrage.

All I'm asking is that when men like Ariel Castro, who was behind the abuse of those women in Cleveland last week, or Josef Fritzl, was charged, there was very little discussion of why...it was just assumed they were abnormal and perverted. But when Muslim men are found guilty of such crimes, the entire religion is often put under suspicion.

All I'm saying in this thread is to urge caution. I don't want to be overly-politically correct, but it can be deceptively easy to fall into the trap of blaming an entire culture for the actions of a minority. Most posters here have replied with intelligent, thoughtful responses so far, I'm only pointing out several members here.

Yes.

You must admit there's a lot of anti-Islamic sentiment out there, and I think, while the deep-rooted cultural issues behind this case have to be explored, my argument is that it's dangerous and inflammatory to blame religion as the ONLY cause. This is an immensely complex issue.

For me personally, it's not about political correctness, but just treading very carefully. I think there's still a degree of racial tension in this country depending where you look.

The thing is there isn't white gangs running around raping young girls...you know why because they're loners because it isn't culturally accepted. The reasons Pakistani's are working in gangs because for whatever reason they can find a bunch of their friends that are up for doing it as well, hence a cultural problem. Not a cultural problem among white people when they're working alone, it is a lone mentally ill person, he is a loner because it isn't culturally accepted.

Can someone please suggest a reason without saying this is a completely isolated incident completely irrelevant from any other case before it because quite frankly thats just an insult to everybody's intelligence..

Now this is a lie, a few months ago a gang of white men robbed a house in Bradford for gold. Look for the story in the T&A. They told the mother to leave the room, while they had their way with the daughter. The family have refused to give this information to the public.

Of course, as I said before, I will always support the vast majority of Muslims and ME people. And I do agree that we need to be careful not to incriminate an entire culture or ideology, but it is ultimately counter-productive to let this stagnate our progress in determining what the hell is going on.



I'd say that Fritz and Castro are rare one-off cases and they did occur in different parts of the world after all. On the other hand, the incidence of British Muslim men being reported carrying out these acts is worryingly on the rise. Now, that could just be bias reporting or headlining, which deserves consideration, but the underlying connection is still an issue.



Agreed.