Oxford gang found guilty of grooming and sexually exploiting girls

They are easier targets and that's why they've been raped, that's what I've argued. If Pakistani women were easily available, like they are in the poor areas of Pakistan then they would have been grooming Pakistani girls too. There are many poor pakistani women in the UK, but the difference is that they have the protection of thier families. That's what I've argued. I've not put any fingers in my ears, unlike some people. The number of Pakistani girls in care and without a family, and without a father figure is very low in comparison to these victims.

This.


One of the father of the men in this case says he regrets not teaching his sons about religion (islam).


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Its not a cultural/religious at all. In Derby the same thing happened but all the criminals where white men doing it and all the victims white young girls yet and the story barely made the newspapers as it is.

The idea that there was another gang of white men doing the same thing does not mean there's no cultural or religious link. The fact that there are regular people who abuse little boys (and priests who don't) doesn't mean that there isn't a specific problem in the Catholic Church, for example.

You barely hear about it though. The way two stories were portrayed on the media was completely different. Its considered much more horrendous when the men were of asian origins and muslims.

Please tell me your not being serious.


Overwhelmingly Muslim THROUGHOUT Europe????


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Yeah but you're talking about how it's a racial issue. If you're pakistani= more likely to commit a crime. What about the many many westernised pakistanis who don't even follow the culture of their ancestors? You're generalising. And if race isn't the problem then wtf are you complaining about? Stop saying pakistani, I don't say 'white' everytime a white man does something wrong so I expect the same back, call them scum because that's what they are, they're a disgrace to us so don't even try to associate us with them, I would break your jaw if you or anyone else tried to link me to these people in any way in real life, just because they happen to have parents who came from the same place as mine it doesn't mean i'm anything like them. And what about all the other places with similar cultures to the pakistani culture? I'm not sure if you know this or not but in the pakistani culture it's looked down on even if you give a girl you're not related to/married to a kiss on the cheek never mind rape lol what drug are you on?

Lol how is this outrageous to you? there are statistics backing it up.. In Norway alone:

http://digitaljournal.com/article/346059

It is not a racial problem but it is a subcultural problem, a subculture within the Pakistani Muslim community to be precise. If this were not true, then why is it that Pakistani muslim men are so massively over-represented in the grooming statistics? They are a small minority of this country and yet the percentage of them involved in grooming is very, very high. Why are the gangs in Rochdale, Telford, Leeds, Birmingham, Bristol, Rotherham, Derby, Liverpool and other cities and towns across the country (including more recently Oxford), why is it that there is massive over-representation of Muslim Pakistanis in these paedophile gangs?

Could you answer me this question, without the abuse and the threats. This is all too easy to do on the internet. I'm probably a good few years older than you, and in terms of men I've confronted face to face in the past and had to deal with in work every day, take it from me you wouldn't make it into the top 100 son. I have no doubt whatsoever that you are nothing like any of these men, but there is a problem here within the Muslim Pakistani community and one that many Muslim Pakistani people state needs urgent attention. For some reason you are taking this personally. This is not you doing this, but members of the Muslim Pakistani community doing this.

Burying your head in the sand and living in denial doesn't deal with the problem. It'll simply go on.

Where are the statistics?

That link has just listed every high profile incidence of rape committed by muslims.


Typical propaganda article.

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They don't publish what religion the person or race is in official records because it would be seen as racist and irrelevant, this isn't Nazi Germany.

but heres speculations just from Norway alone: http://europenews.dk/en/node/63520

They don't publish what religion the person or race is in official records because it would be seen as racist and irrelevant, this isn't Nazi Germany.

but heres speculations just from Norway alone: http://europenews.dk/en/node/63520

So how can you assume that just because of a few cases of rape committed by muslims, that the "overwhelming majority"of rapes or sexual abuse in Europe are committed by muslims despite there being no evidence for this?


You said you had STATISTICS, not "speculation" from an anti Islam site that the "overwhelming majority" of rape or sexual abuse in Europe are committed by muslims.

The above link is to an anti Islam website.

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A few hundred pakistanis have been convicted of grooming, what's your point? How is that representing any community in the world. If it was 100000 then i'd see you're point but I don't now.
Most pakistanis in Britain don't know anyone who actually takes part in grooming, so how on earth are they going to stop anyone? I don't see how i'm supposed to stop something from happening when it's impossible to do so. You f*cking make me sick, apply your own logic to white people too, there's white people committing many of the same crimes but white people don't have to stand up to it do they? My house was robbed by a white gang and I know white gangs which have gone around robbing asian families and beating up old women, do we hate white people now? No because we know it's only a few of them. Go sort out these white people who are going around robbing everyone, that's also a crime and white people/black people are over represented in those statistics but you haven't got the balls to say anything about that so you just pick on asians. I don't know why asians take this crap on a daily basis. Black people stopped taking it after a while and then white people were too scared to say anything to them after that (even though they're over represented in many more crimes than asians are), we should do the same. It's only asians who have to be responsible for people of their own race but not white people. I'm not racist at all but seriously white people should stop thinking they're so great because it's pissing a lot of people off. I've got a lot of white friends and i've got a white girlfriend, i've integrated but I can see why other asians don't and this makes me want to stay away from white people, if you guys don;t like us then we're not gonna beg you. First it was black people now it's asians.

A few hundred pakistanis have been convicted of grooming, what's your point? How is that representing any community in the world. If it was 100000 then i'd see you're point but I don't now.
Most pakistanis in Britain don't know anyone who actually takes part in grooming, so how on earth are they going to stop anyone? I don't see how i'm supposed to stop something from happening when it's impossible to do so. You f*cking make me sick, apply your own logic to white people too, there's white people committing many of the same crimes but white people don't have to stand up to it do they? My house was robbed by a white gang and I know white gangs which have gone around robbing asian families and beating up old women, do we hate white people now? No because we know it's only a few of them. Go sort out these white people who are going around robbing everyone, that's also a crime and white people/black people are over represented in those statistics but you haven't got the balls to say anything about that so you just pick on asians. I don't know why asians take this crap on a daily basis. Black people stopped taking it after a while and then white people were too scared to say anything to them after that (even though they're over represented in many more crimes than asians are), we should do the same. It's only asians who have to be responsible for people of their own race but not white people. I'm not racist at all but seriously white people should stop thinking they're so great because it's pissing a lot of people off. I've got a lot of white friends and i've got a white girlfriend, i've integrated but I can see why other asians don't and this makes me want to stay away from white people, if you guys don;t like us then we're not gonna beg you. First it was black people now it's asians.

A few hundred pakistanis have been convicted of grooming, what's your point? How is that representing any community in the world. If it was 100000 then i'd see you're point but I don't now.
Most pakistanis in Britain don't know anyone who actually takes part in grooming, so how on earth are they going to stop anyone? I don't see how i'm supposed to stop something from happening when it's impossible to do so. You f*cking make me sick, apply your own logic to white people too, there's white people committing many of the same crimes but white people don't have to stand up to it do they? My house was robbed by a white gang and I know white gangs which have gone around robbing asian families and beating up old women, do we hate white people now? No because we know it's only a few of them. Go sort out these white people who are going around robbing everyone, that's also a crime and white people/black people are over represented in those statistics but you haven't got the balls to say anything about that so you just pick on asians. I don't know why asians take this crap on a daily basis. Black people stopped taking it after a while and then white people were too scared to say anything to them after that (even though they're over represented in many more crimes than asians are), we should do the same. It's only asians who have to be responsible for people of their own race but not white people. I'm not racist at all but seriously white people should stop thinking they're so great because it's pissing a lot of people off. I've got a lot of white friends and i've got a white girlfriend, i've integrated but I can see why other asians don't and this makes me want to stay away from white people, if you guys don;t like us then we're not gonna beg you. First it was black people now it's asians.

You say you're not racist but your remarks above (highlighted in bold) certainly point to a chip being on your shoulder.

Perhaps I should point out the facts again:
"CEOP study:

http://www.channel4.com/news/ceop-wa...grooming-study

In their words:

In the grooming statistics, 49% were white and 46% Asian: the proportion of Pakistani Asians remains unknown. However, in a country where Asians constitute 7% of the general population, this is a striking figure.

We believe that there are two main profiles of the on-street groomer. First, we have the white offenders, who typically offend alone. So far, nothing new: the lone white male is the norm for UK child sex offences. Second, however, there are Asian offenders, many of whom are of Pakistani origin. They seem much more likely to offend in groups, lending their abuse a curiously social dimension. In our research, which focuses on large offending groups, we analysed police data from five major on-street grooming investigations. Of the 52 suspects charged, 83% were Asian Pakistani, 11% Asian other and 6% white British. These are shocking statistics and the over-representation of Asian offenders within this dataset certainly merits attention."

How many times must I tell you that I am not saying that all Pakistanis or all Muslims or all Pakistani Muslims for that matter are doing this. It is a subculture held by a minority of them, and one that needs to be rooted out. Education,the influence of communities and community leaders, passing information to the police and not ignoring these crimes would destroy the subcultural fabric of these grooming gangs. Grooming gangs occur when groups of men get together, groups of men who think it is all right to have sex with children. They share the same ideas, the same motivation, and form the grooming gang. there are white grooming gangs, there are black grooming gangs, and there are also Muslimi Pakistani grooming gangs. What has shocked me and millioins like me is the overrepresentation of Muslim Pakistanis in the grooming statistics.

When Stephen Lawrence was murdered by white youths, and the family were let down by the judicial system in this country, the white host majority had to take a long look at itself and admit to racist elements in their society and institutions, and since then efforts have been made to stamp out racism whenever possible in all walks of life. When there is massive overrepresentation of Muslim Pakistanis amongst the grooming paedophile statistics, along with prosecution of course, the onus falls on community leaders and people of the aforementioned community to do something abuot this. Many notable Muslim Pakistanis have had the courage to do so:

Mohammed Shafiq, chairman of the Ramadan Foundation:has said there is a "problem" of British Pakistani men thinking "white girls are worthless and can be abused".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17996245

Nazir Afzal has stated that some Pakistani men have 'cultural baggage'.

And here there are the words of Lady Warsi, chairwoman of the conservative party and a British Pakistani Muslim, who has stated that a 'Minority Of Pakistani Men Think White Girls Are 'Fair Game' For Sex Abuse

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/18/baroness-warsi-pakistani-sex-abuse-white_n_1526854.html

These people, Muslim Pakistanis, have had the guts to speak out and identify this very real problem. You haven't. The more people bury their heads in the sand, the more children like the ones tortured and abused in Oxford will suffer.