Men have it harder then women

If it wasn't we wouldn't have been given the tools to do it or the hormones that encourage the urge to have children (this is more the case in women, to do with estrogen production.

All mammals are programmed to mate because their species need to survive. If they didn't have this urge then the world would be run by frogs and birds and insects who lay eggs. Humans and all other mammals would've died out thousands of years ago because we'd have said "nah I'll just play with these rocks instead of mating."

It may also be easier to "choose" in western society, but what about women in Africa who don't have access to contraception and get forced into sex by their husbands and cannot help but have endless children, of which several will die in infancy.


I still think your overall argument is focused on a very narrow part of society, like the MIC or TOWIE set who expect guys to be like that.

to think most of the **** you put up with all so she would have sex with you. thats like tthe only major power women have over men, withholding sex. you can only use it with certain men or they just get the **** outta there.

There's stuff about being a man that sucks and stuff about being a woman that sucks. There's no real way of comparing the two, and trying to decide who has it "worse" is ridiculous. There's no objective measure of suffering. Rather than having a ridiculous, swooning argument along these lines: "but vagina people have it so awful" "no but penis people have it worse" "well vaginas have children come out of them" "well penises hurt when you punch them" "well if you weren't - " "if you didn't - " "MY SUFFERING IS MORE VALID THAN YOUR SUFFERING"...how about we say that both gender's issues are valid, worth talking about, and worth fixing?

Seriously. Silly discussion. It's like asking whether cancer patients or AIDs patients have it worse. Although hopefully none of you think being a man or a woman is as bad as either cancer or AIDs.

To be honest, I am more concerned about my career these days, but thanks for telling me that I am desperate for a woman.

How old are you?

Career...also to impress the ladies?? Just kidding. Well that comment wasn't specifically at you although it did seem your comments were geared towards attracting women.

I'm not going to say that men have it easy; there are certain pressures but at the end of the day conformity is a choice. Your complete lack of understanding and empathy for women regarding childbirth completely doesn't do your argument any favours either.

Not sure what my age has to do with anything but I'm 24.

We are expected:

- to be successful, independent and able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything.
- With pin up boys like Ronaldo etc, the pressure on men to look good is a bigger deal now then in the past. So that they have a heads up in the dating game. A LOT of women on the other hand, can get sex much more easily then men.
- Acquire status, respect from our peers otherwise are considered weak.
- Not meant o show weakness/emotions to anyone. As a result men bottle things up more easily.

Failing any of the 3 (not so much point 2), the man is normally treated as a loser.

Do you agree that men have it harder then women?

Discuss.

I was going to mention childbirth, ex was going bang on about it.

But then I realised:

1) what its like being literally kicked in the balls, which is painful as hell. Women will never have to experience this.

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2) Women these days can always get a cesarean or choose not to have children at all.

So the pain is self inflicted if they go the natural route.

No one can ever experience both. So your argument is completely idiotic.

Having a cesarean isn't the easy option either. You have to spend 6 weeks recovering, it's a serious operation. Plus you have to recover while looking after a newborn baby.

I dare you to go up to a woman in her 30th hour of labour with serious complications like foetal distress or the danger caused by a narrow pelvis and say "well you could've had an abortion, love."

Plus it's not as if it's only women that want their own children - men want children of their own too! But who has to provide one? Men can't have children, so in that respect it's not a choice. If a couple want a child, a woman's gotta brace herself for the hellish ride that is 9 months pregnancy (didn't get mentioned at all??) and childbirth.

- Women are expected - and want! - to be successful and independent too, you know. There's a lot of pressure for women to "have it all" - build a good career, whilst juggling a family and marriage commitments as well as looking good and staying fit.
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I wouldnt go as far to say it is expected. It is more like they want too.

There are plenty of women that are content with being a house wife and looking after their kids. Traditionally that was the role of women until recently.

Major difference.

****s sake point spread is too high now.

CAnt bet on the heat.

TBH

I never said childbirth was not painful, but making it sound like it is some sort of naccessity, is really stupid. especially since I never mentioned childbirth originally, and for good reason.

I know I compared it to being kicked in the balls, but you guys need to develop a sense of humour - it was obviously sarcasm.

Don't make me laugh.

- You are less likely to be raped (allowed, if limited in scope to the UK)
- you are less likely to suffer domestic violence
- you are more likely to get promotions because you don't get pregnant or stay home with your baby
- You don't have to face the discomforts and numerous health risks of pregnancy and childbirth
- You mentioned women can just not have a career if they're stupid. Did you stop and think about the discrimination faced by women who do want a career and aren't stupid? We are still expected by many people in society to be stay at home mothers- I don't know a single man who would give up his job and volunteer to stay home with his children
- You are judged on merit at the workplace and not on appearance
- Your reproductive rights and bodily autonomy isn't turned into a political debate.


A small note to the person who compared being kicked in the balls to childbirth. GET A LIFE. Labour is hell that lasts up to 5 days during which time women can't eat or even drink water while battling the pain. Needless to say, they don't get to sleep either. Some of them are left with lifelong complications like pelvic organ prolapse and incontinence or the inability to orgasm due to the damage done by childbirth.

Secondly, women are not given the option of a cesarean or even an epidural in most hospitals unless medically necessary. (This is partly what I meant by women's reproductive rights being curtailed). So natural childbirth is hardly self-inflicted torture. Most women don't have a choice.

FFS. What about women who DON'T want to be housewives or stay at home with their kids? They are still judged and are often forced culturally and financially to stay at home anyway.

If one person has to give up his/her career it will be expected of the woman, not the man.

And yes, women want to have children but so do men. But who goes through the pain and trauma of childbirth? Women. Who is likely to have to give up her job and independence to look after the children? The woman.
The men get a pretty sweet deal. Their lives barely change after having kids.

Yeah because getting 'status' and looking like ronaldo is a necessity right?
I already said, you are not under obligation to provide for anyone else but yourself or your child when/if you have one. You also don't have to hide your emotions at all.

That is what I mean by your argument being *******s because it applies a double standard where men's problems are 'necessity' (even though they aren't) and women's aren't (despite the fact that giving birth to another human people is far more significant than anything you mentioned).


And ah the 'sense of humour' retort. Why didn't you have a sense of humour when your ex told you to 'man up'?? Or are only men allowed to be offended and women are 'sensitive' if they stand up for themselves?

I wouldnt go as far to say it is expected. It is more like they want too.

There are plenty of women that are content with being a house wife and looking after their kids. Traditionally that was the role of women until recently.

Major difference.

There's stuff about being a man that sucks and stuff about being a woman that sucks. There's no real way of comparing the two, and trying to decide who has it "worse" is ridiculous. There's no objective measure of suffering. Rather than having a ridiculous, swooning argument along these lines: "but vagina people have it so awful" "no but penis people have it worse" "well vaginas have children come out of them" "well penises hurt when you punch them" "well if you weren't - " "if you didn't - " "MY SUFFERING IS MORE VALID THAN YOUR SUFFERING"...how about we say that both gender's issues are valid, worth talking about, and worth fixing?

Seriously. Silly discussion. It's like asking whether cancer patients or AIDs patients have it worse. Although hopefully none of you think being a man or a woman is as bad as either cancer or AIDs.