Men have it harder then women

What's all this "Do you even lift?" stuff about if not pressuring other men to look good?

tbh this isnt a thread about my sex life.

It is a general discussion about the genders.

But as we are on the topic, many of my male friends are still living at home and get **** for it by women who think they are a bit of a mummys boy. Despite themselves being at home too.

One comes to mine, he is on a very poorly paid job but due to peer pressure moved out, but because of that he will never be able to save money for a 'nice place'.

Who told them to have babies anyway?

Watch this...I agree with the video.
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Banter. That said I'm a little weird, I don't care for societal norms and how people believe I should behave, I'll act how I want to and if they don't like it that's their problem.

Many, many men don't work out/go to the gym. I don't feel any pressure from other men to groom myself. It's women who I feel judge me the most for how I look.

It's an anthropological inevitability, as this person has just pointed out. Women are made to carry on genetics.

Isn't this a bit silly though? Especially if you are an indigenous/local man, why would you specifically need to move out? (I am a migrant,worker, so naturally it is different for me - I can't be expected to live with my mother since she is in a different country (continent)).

I doubt many indigenous/local women actually move very far for work either (most people who work on an international basis are male) - it is our gender which is more mobile in this respect!

Banter: It called 'bitchiness' when it comes from a woman.

It's great that you don't feel pressure to conform to society's ideal, but clearly some men do, as shown by the OP. As a woman, I won't pretend to know where those pressures do come from, but from what I've seen I would say that women in general aren't too bothered about a man's appearance. I don't often heard derogatory comments about men's bodies in the media or by friends whereas for women there is literally a constant flow of negative comments. Yes, a lot of them come from women themselves but patriarchy isn't something practised by men. It is a system that we are all brought up in, so girls grow up in a world where women's bodies are there to be judged.

I fell out of a tree when I was 12 and belly flopped onto concrete. My mother wasn't very sympathetic until she realised I was gonna be in intensive care for a while.

While in intensive care a doctor explained to my Mum why I was screaming when I wasn't drugged up. He told he the pain I was going through is like an intense child birth (I'm not sure exactly how but I think he just wanted to let my Mum know why I started screaming in pain every 6 hours).

So yeah I've been kicked in the balls and (kinda) experienced child birth.

There isn't any comparison, they both hurt like hell! But when you get kicked in the balls it's like someone hooked your stomach and ripping it out, then the pain in the balls themselves come a while later. That sickening feeling is the worst! If I were to have constant pain for the rest of my life it definitely wouldn't be the feeling of getting kicked in the nuts. A ruptured spleen, punctured stomach and couple blood clots (my childbirth) anyday.

Yeah, cos, who told your mum to have you? Who told my mum to have me? Who told any woman in the world not to have a child? Hmm, it is nearly always their choice to have one - much like it was yours to post on this thread. See, most women don't complain about childbirth, you'll find that it's the ones who are mostly adolescent who present this argument.

I don't care for societal norms and how people believe I should behave, I'll act how I want to and if they don't like it that's their problem.

As I said, I think you do have a point, but for the sake of a balanced argument, here are some downsides to being female;

- Difficulty getting taken seriously. If a man gets angry they shout, but if a woman does the same they get laughed at and patronised. I swear this is the reason we have such a bad reputation for holding grudges - it's our only way of taking things out on people.

- Lack of role models and traditions, current and historic. Not a massive one, but it causes an occasional twinge when I want to go for a pint with my Dad and he says it's not ladylike.

- Childbirth and periods.

- Pressure to look pretty. I know you seem to be acquainted with hordes of promiscuous obese women, but I can promise that doesn't feel like the reality for most of us.

- 'Sell-by date'. Men can be attractive and able to create children until far later than women.

Again, this is just for balancing - it doesn't invalidate your points.

wait wait wait.. men have it harder, every morning I wake up and thank the wise old zeus and apollo for bestowing me with these genitals. rather than the female kind.

the D does not bleed every month, it wont have large fetal loads to spurt out (yes, Babies!!)

And then on top of that we have the advantages given by society, you know the so called "patriachy", the one that feminists always bat on about. You know what that means... A system that benefits men MORE than women.

oh and I guess I should address your point's, if you ever have to look at Ronaldo and go "I need to look like him to get laid." Im sorry but you are clueless about women. You don't need to be able to provide for a women and pay for everything, Women are allowed to have jobs (feminism again!!) and To gain status, all you need to do is make some friends.

And I think the biggest secret to being the next Casanova, is being able to muster together some sort of coherent gibberish that sounds abit like normal conversion. Heck it has worked for me in the past.. I am no looker.

I agree with you.
But its to 'fit in'.

My friends get a harder time over this ****, telling me how the girl complains about not having their own space - due to mum and dad.

I guess with mum and dad around they can't scream as loud as possible during sex.

It's all fair enough, if they were willing to pay towards the rent, rather they want their cake and eat it.

In your case I can understand why you moved out, you have no choice.

We are expected:

1. able to provide for a woman (if in a r.ship). Every girl I have been with, eventually expects me to pay for everything.
2. A LOT of women on the other hand, can get sex much more easily then men.
3. Acquire status, respect from our peers otherwise are considered weak.
4. Not meant o show weakness/emotions to anyone. As a result men bottle things up more easily.