[New] Post a picture of yourself, unedited and the first picture you take

Original post by ZRO

Bodyfat of a model is usually 8-10%right?

Around that yes.

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Original post by CD2112

Male model. A small mid-face is not necessarily imperative, rather a balanced and proportionate midface in relation to bone structure is the key. Ha yeh 6/10 at the moment. Canthoplasty + muscle mass/low bf % + tan = 8.5 & possibly a modelling contract. Also have to be over 6ft aswell.

Interesting. I'd heard that a smaller midface was better (ratio of 0.8 to 1.2? With Closer to 0.8 being better). Someone with a midface larger than that would probably look very strange and elongated to my eyes. I hear that the distance between the nose and the upper lip is important too. I'd imagine that for being a male model, a very angular face with a small midface would help since lenses can exaggerate facial lengths, which should, in theory, lead to you being more photogenic.

I imagine that getting the surgery would be like £2,000, minimum... not worth it for me. I'm fine with how attractive I am (plus, working on the tan + muscle mass, and I'm already 6'4"). I guess it was never meant to be. :tongue:

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Original post by JordanR

Interesting. I'd heard that a smaller midface was better (ratio of 0.8 to 1.2? With Closer to 0.8 being better). Someone with a midface larger than that would probably look very strange and elongated to my eyes.

Think you've got that mixed up a bit. Basically:
> 1 = compact midface
1 > 0.9 = average midface
< 0.9 = long midface

Again though it isn't massively important so long as proportions of facial thirds are on point. I hardly go around measuring models faces with a protractor ha, although I admit if I did, the majority would probably have a compact midface. David Beckham for example has an average midface. You have a relatively compact midface but your forehead is slightly larger than usual (no offence ha) so it distorts things a little.
I don't think people with long midfaces necessarily look 'strange'. Ryan Gosling has a long midface and he is obviously still attractive, although he would probably be rejected as a high profile mm.

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Your jawline is perfect

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Original post by CD2112

Think you've got that mixed up a bit. Basically:
> 1 = compact midface
1 > 0.9 = average midface
< 0.9 = long midface

Again though it isn't massively important so long as proportions of facial thirds are on point. I hardly go around measuring models faces with a protractor ha, although I admit if I did, the majority would probably have a compact midface. David Beckham for example has an average midface. You have a relatively compact midface but your forehead is slightly larger than usual (no offence ha) so it distorts things a little.
I don't think people with long midfaces necessarily look 'strange'. Ryan Gosling has a long midface and he is obviously still attractive, although he would probably be rejected as a high profile mm.

Oops, yeah. Although I was basing the midface thing on this.

The lower the number is, the more compact your midface is and the more attractive you would tend to be. If it is 0.8-1.2 that is good. Outside of that range, it's not so good...almost universally. Generally, the closer to 1 the better. So, I'd say that is the most important (even though it's not a "feature"), though other things matter.

No offence taken, I think all this stuff is actually quite interesting. I wonder if we'll ever be able to quantify exactly what "attractive" is... probably not, since there are always going to be personal preferences and stuff that throw people off. Ryan Gosling is interesting since I'd say that technically speaking, almost all of his face doesn't have conventionally attractive features. Narrow-set eyes, long midface, slight negative canthal tilt (?), yet the average person would class him as being very good looking (I know I definitely do).

Original post by heyyyy

Your jawline is perfect

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who are you talking to? and did you really just sign up to say this?!

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Hmmm def not my best but whatever

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Original post by JordanR

Oops, yeah. Although I was basing the midface thing on this.

No offence taken, I think all this stuff is actually quite interesting. I wonder if we'll ever be able to quantify exactly what "attractive" is... probably not, since there are always going to be personal preferences and stuff that throw people off. Ryan Gosling is interesting since I'd say that technically speaking, almost all of his face doesn't have conventionally attractive features. Narrow-set eyes, long midface, slight negative canthal tilt (?), yet the average person would class him as being very good looking (I know I definitely do).

You have obviously done a lot of research on this; wouldn't have expected the average guy to know about canthal tilt/midface etc. From a professional perspective like mine, the science behind this stuff is interesting yes, however in terms of attracting the opposite sex it is always undermined when you realise how subjective beauty can be.
One way of scientifically quantifying attractiveness is the 'Marquardt mask', but again there are always anomalies and exceptions to the rule which crop up now and again.

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Original post by CD2112

You have obviously done a lot of research on this; wouldn't have expected the average guy to know about canthal tilt/midface etc. From a professional perspective like mine, the science behind this stuff is interesting yes, however in terms of attracting the opposite sex it is always undermined when you realise how subjective beauty can be.
One way of scientifically quantifying attractiveness is the 'Marquardt mask', but again there are always anomalies and exceptions to the rule which crop up now and again.

I only really got interested in it from browsing that thread on reddit and thought it was quite cool how much it can be quantified and measured and stuff; I always thought it was more down to random chance and that people's faces were more like jigsaws. Quite interesting. (I've also probably got more into these kind of ideas than most because I was the characteristic "ugly duckling" as a child and I feel like I've escaped it somewhat, which is cool.)

Yep, I've heard Tom Cruise is supposed to be perfect with that:

http://www.beautyanalysis.com/images/pg42RF---Tom-Cruise-w-Male-.jpg

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Original post by JordanR

I only really got interested in it from browsing that thread on reddit and thought it was quite cool how much it can be quantified and measured and stuff; I always thought it was more down to random chance and that people's faces were more like jigsaws. Quite interesting. (I've also probably got more into these kind of ideas than most because I was the characteristic "ugly duckling" as a child and I feel like I've escaped it somewhat, which is cool.)

Yep, I've heard Tom Cruise is supposed to be perfect with that:

http://www.beautyanalysis.com/images/pg42RF---Tom-Cruise-w-Male-.jpg

Although he could never model because he is a dwarf so it's all relative I suppose. It seems that a lot of guys these days are becoming increasingly more obsessed with looks, which is fine I suppose for above average people like yourself, but incredibly unhealthy for those with insecurities or self esteem issues. Take www.puahate.com for example. Literally one of the most hostile and disturbing forums I have ever seen. The guys on there obviously know their stuff, however I'm guessing 90% of them have some form of mental disorder.

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Original post by CD2112

Although he could never model because he is a dwarf so it's all relative I suppose. It seems that a lot of guys these days are becoming increasingly more obsessed with looks, which is fine I suppose for above average people like yourself, but incredibly unhealthy for those with insecurities or self esteem issues. Take www.puahate.com for example. Literally one of the most hostile and disturbing forums I have ever seen. The guys on there obviously know their stuff, however I'm guessing 90% of them have some form of mental disorder.

Out of interest, why is height such an important factor for models? I understand that height is incredibly important for men in person, but I was more under the impression that it had less impact in photographs.

That... that forum, Jesus Christ. It's like they're the tools I occasionally pretend to be on the internet, but for real... scary. What the hell is it even about? Against the pickup artist stuff? God people on the internet are crazy

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Original post by CD2112

Take www.puahate.com for example. Literally one of the most hostile and disturbing forums I have ever seen. The guys on there obviously know their stuff, however I'm guessing 90% of them have some form of mental disorder.

I just went on there. I feel slightly disturbed by what I was reading. I actually wasn't aware how far people go as a collective as such (I mean it's nothing unusual for the odd person) to describing their flaws and need to fix them. What a horrible life it must be constantly trying to fix the slightest of imperfections and tormenting yourself over it.

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