Bashar al-assad and the Syrian conflict

I can see why you don't understand the situation in Syria. I'd suggest you watch this film and see how brainwashed we were! Thanks to the Syrian revolution.

PS. Thanks for the rep,

Very true, it's very sad to see. I do have great sympathy for the Syrian people caught up in it all. I just hope that the ongoing negotiations at least sort something out.

Yes I think humanitarian organisations such as the Red Cross and should be supported but not direct action as that will have negative repercussions across the world. With Russia and China backing Assad it could become almost a proxy war like something out of the cold war.

Indeed. The Russian Civil War, which saw the fledgling Bolshevik regime, the repository of the hopes of millions of socialists worldwide, transform itself into a dictatorship, while continuing to justify its rule on the basis of its “revolutionary socialism,” a paradox that was starkly posed when the Bolsheviks suppressed the uprising of revolutionary sailors and workers at Kronstadt in 1921 in the name of the “workers” state. And so it went on, as you say.

That's a flawed argument!

How can you say that you would rather have bashar than the syrians rule because you are afraid about the future...bloody hell are you not worried about the present? How many have been killed so far? or does that not matter because most of them have been sunni muslims so thats okay? hmmm...

Right now there is killing, its not going to stop, its going to continue because the source is still there so unless bashar goes this is going to last a bit longer than the syrians thought.

All this SAA raping and killing civilians is a load of rubbish the most there is is quite a lot of collateral killings because the FSA love Hiding and killing civilians just think, he would have been long gone if the Secular Syrian people didn't want an Israeli mandate or Shari'a law.

The syrian army dont kill FSA members because they cannot get hold of them...Instead they kill innocent civilians. Normally civilians do die in a war, However, in this barbaric war, they are the MAIN target and not caught in the middle as some may like to put it. The majority of the 100,000 killed are civilians for reasons which I have already stated above.

They dont rape FSA members, they rape random people and women in their houses (unarmed btw! ) they have committed crimes never seen in history before. The rubbish that FSA is similar is just a lazy suggestion. They may have committed some crimes but they are no way of the magnitude of the so called syrian army who is meant to be protect its people.

You have an official army committing disgusting crimes compared to civilians who have decided to arm themselves so they can defend their homes so they can protect their mum and dad and their children. They havent been trained or brought up as army personnel, thus one action doesnt convey the action of all FSA. Where as an action from the"syrian army" equates to the whole country because apparently they are there to protect the country from enemies...


You clearly haven't seen or read about any crimes the army has committed. Its well documented. They will be punished for it no matter how long it takes. That's just life, it might take months, years, decades, but one day every soldier who killed a child and raped a 12 year old girl will be help accountable for their actions.

I'm pretty sure they have just done bog standard murder like countless armies have done since time memorial; but hey, prove me wrong....

"Pretty Sure" Based on what exactly? I don't know what you watch or read...or how much you know about the revolution and how it started and the history of syria or how long this regime has been oppressing its people? So I cannot tell what this is based on.

An assumption maybe?



But what I know, Is the crimes that have been committed in syria are not the "standard" you see in Iraq, Afghanstan, or the Bosnian civil war.

This is a new level...never carried out before.

"Pretty Sure" Based on what exactly? I don't know what you watch or read...or how much you know about the revolution and how it started and the history of syria or how long this regime has been oppressing its people? So I cannot tell what this is based on.

An assumption maybe?



But what I know, Is the crimes that have been committed in syria are not the "standard" you see in Iraq, Afghanstan, or the Bosnian civil war.

This is a new level...never carried out before.

Inshallah the Wahabis fall, for it is them who have ruined the image of Islam.

He hasn’t won yet. He’s just stalling for time. I mean, let’s face it, resistance won’t stop and the current situation is like a sword of Damocles hanging over him. It's only a matter of time till he’ll be thrown into the dustbin of history.

Well chosen, I remember reading something about Hebrang he was a victims of Stalin I believe although I may be wrong, it's sad, it seems the biggest victims of Stalin were those of genuine left wing views, eg Hebrang, Kamnev, Trotsky, Zinoviev. I think it was Lenin and Stalin who dissolved trade unions under the argument that "they were the trade unions now".

Actually Hebrang was a good friend with Stalin (he talken with him about creating a "Greater Yugoslavia"); he was a victim of Tito.

Yes, the Kronstadt sailors had ironically been the greatest supporters of the Bolsheviks early on and were now destroyed. The saddest thing being that the person who ordered the repression was not Stalin but Trotsky. A noble idea let down by self serving leaders. I think the suppression of trade unionists is the early warning sign in all these dictatorships.

True (though I wouldn't call him a 'good friend' of Stalin), he was killed by Tito mainly because the Croatian communists were becoming too independent vis-a-vis the Yugoslav centre for Tito's liking (I have respect for Tito.

I did not mean they were personal friend, it is just that I made a overrated expression due to bad english.

By that time there was also the Infonbiro resolution which also contributed.

True (though I wouldn't call him a 'good friend' of Stalin), he was killed by Tito mainly because the Croatian communists were becoming too independent vis-a-vis the Yugoslav centre for Tito's liking (I have respect for Tito and Hoxha as well for their WW2 records, but their political records let them down somewhat).





Very true (that's one thing about Trotsky that many of his apologists overlook), Trotsky also supported the crushing of the peasants during the War Communism period, as well as the Soviet invasion of Finland (whose right to self-determination Trotsky regarded as 'worth less than a thistledown'). I think the ultimate wake-up call though had to be when the USSR signed an alliance with Hitler, betrayed the German Communists to the Gestapo, and then helped Nazi Germany destroy Poland.

The syrian army dont kill FSA members because they cannot get hold of them...Instead they kill innocent civilians. Normally civilians do die in a war, However, in this barbaric war, they are the MAIN target and not caught in the middle as some may like to put it. The majority of the 100,000 killed are civilians for reasons which I have already stated above.

They dont rape FSA members, they rape random people and women in their houses (unarmed btw! ) they have committed crimes never seen in history before. The rubbish that FSA is similar is just a lazy suggestion. They may have committed some crimes but they are no way of the magnitude of the so called syrian army who is meant to be protect its people.

You have an official army committing disgusting crimes compared to civilians who have decided to arm themselves so they can defend their homes so they can protect their mum and dad and their children. They havent been trained or brought up as army personnel, thus one action doesnt convey the action of all FSA. Where as an action from the"syrian army" equates to the whole country because apparently they are there to protect the country from enemies...


You clearly haven't seen or read about any crimes the army has committed. Its well documented. They will be punished for it no matter how long it takes. That's just life, it might take months, years, decades, but one day every soldier who killed a child and raped a 12 year old girl will be help accountable for their actions.

Both sides are evil. British soldiers should not die for the petty bickering of others (it is petty bickering the Rebels are bankrolled by Al Qaeda and are no better than Assad). You seem to have this idea that revolutions are always good? In fact they are often bloody messes that don't change anything in the long run and are just as bad. Eg Russian revolution, The Iranian Revolution of ignorance, the Libyan revolution. I'm all for punishing those who are responsible so long as the rebels are punished. Too. Britain should stay out and sort out its many domestic affairs/

Sure, sure...Just let them die, Its not our mess.

But the minute we sense the FSA or any syrian group toppling assad and regaining power, we go all guns blazing "Oh no we shouldn't let them rule, because they are muslim...instead we should find them another dictator to rule them"...?

If you don't help in the mess you don't get any say at the end....That's how I see it


p.s If you want to control the outcome of this syrian revolution and who becomes a leader (which I assume is what UK wants..) then am afraid we have to get our hands dirty....Otherwise we have no control over what happens now or anytime in the future.....we might get "extremist" ruling syria....? Not good idea eh?

Sure, sure...Just let them die, Its not our mess.

But the minute we sense the FSA or any syrian group toppling assad and regaining power, we go all guns blazing "Oh no we shouldn't let them rule, because they are muslim...instead we should find them another dictator to rule them"...?

If you don't help in the mess you don't get any say at the end....That's how I see it


p.s If you want to control the outcome of this syrian revolution and who becomes a leader (which I assume is what UK wants..) then am afraid we have to get our hands dirty....Otherwise we have no control over what happens now or anytime in the future.....we might get "extremist" ruling syria....? Not good idea eh?