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Reply 2120
Original post by mar junior
Can someone help me with the following questions and clear up any doubt please? ive given an answer and my reasoning behind it, i could be wrong though..

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For this question i got the answer as C, as number of moles does not affect the e cell value (read this in many books) also the e cell is the most positive (right) minus the most negative (left)

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I got the answer to be C, As it is 2 negative species attacking eachother which is unlikely and the other 3 show the H- acting as things it says its good at.

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For this one i got the answer to be C again, i chose zinc but realized since it did not have a incomplete D shell could not catalyze reactions

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Answer = A
Because the oxygen group needs to come off by accepting the lone pair, while the nucleophile attacks the slightly positive carbon.

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I chose D because the h20 has deprotonated the cation and for the charges to balance, the metal has to decrease by 1.

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4 H2 molecules and the enthalpy change is just the benzene hydrogenation and the other 1 added together.

The type of reaction is an addition right?

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Answer is B, Because the first one isnt optically active, and the 3rd and 4th both have an extra cooh and nh2 group, increasing the acidity/basity and making the ph less equal, so B would give a neutral soultion.

Thanks in advance


Wow you have paper.

1) You're right
2) You're right as the reaction is electrophilic addition
3) I put B as Fe is the only transition metal and transition metals act as catalysts. I just checked and apparently Iron does act as a catalyst for the reaction.
4) I also put A which I think is right
5) D is correct C is the actual answer :colondollar:
6) Yep I also got 4 H2 and enthalpy for benzene - 120
7) Yep, B is right

Could you post some of the other multiple choice questions if it isn't too much trouble
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Reply 2121
Original post by AS01
Nope! U can put anything as X Y and Z

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Well it gave you a ratio which was in relation to XYZ respectively so I think it did matter. You'd only lose one mark if you didn't though.
Reply 2122
Original post by Bord3r
Wow you have paper.

1) You're right
2) You're right as the reaction is electrophilic addition
3) I put B as Fe is the only transition metal and transition metals act as catalysts. I have no idea if this is right though.
4) I also put A which I think is right
5) D is correct
6) Yep I also got 4 H2 and enthalpy for benzene - 120
7) Yep, B is right

Could you post some of the other multiple choice questions if it isn't too much trouble


D is not correct, C is because the oxidation of the Metal cation is not affected only the OVERALL charge, C is basically saying 3+ is more acidic than 2+
Reply 2123
Original post by idknow
D is not correct, C is because the oxidation of the Metal cation is not affected only the OVERALL charge, C is basically saying 3+ is more acidic than 2+


Oh yeah damn that was a stupid error. :colondollar:
Original post by mar junior
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all mine are same apart from 4 i got iron. 18 i but B because the oxygen doesn't break off it just goes from double to single. 6 i put C. i thought charge would go from n+ to just n.

i'm pretty bad at chemistry though so i'm probably wrong.
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Original post by mar junior
Can someone help me with the following questions and clear up any doubt please?

IMG01261-20130620-1043.jpg

For this question i got the answer as C, as number of moles does not affect the e cell value (read this in many books)

IMG01264-20130620-1044.jpg

I got the answer to be C, As it is 2 negative species attacking eachother which is unlikely and the other 3 show the H- acting as things it says its good at.

IMG01262-20130620-1043.jpg

For this one i got the answer to be C again, i chose zinc but realized since it did not have a incomplete D shell could not catalyze reactions

IMG01265-20130620-1044.jpg

Answer = A
Because the oxygen group needs to come off by accepting the lone pair, while the nucleophile attacks the slightly positive carbon.

IMG01263-20130620-1043.jpg

I chose D because the h20 has deprotonated the cation and for the charges to balance, the metal has to decrease by 1.

IMG01267-20130620-1057.jpg

4 H2 molecules and the enthalpy change is just the benzene hydrogenation and the other 1 added together.

The type of reaction is an addition right?

IMG01266-20130620-1056.jpg

Answer is B, Because the first one isnt optically active, and the 3rd and 4th both have an extra cooh and nh2 group, increasing the acidity/basity and making the ph less equal, so B would give a neutral soultion.

Thanks in advance


heres my thoughts on your queries:

q1 is c

q20 i believe is d, and not c. c is hydrogenation with a nickel catalyst and hydrogen (reduction) d

q4 is c

q18 is a


q6 is c) because a higher charge density on the metal ion polarises the water ligands to a greater extent, making the hydrogen bonded to the oxygen more delta possitve and more easily lost. the reaction they chose is actually showing why a complex ion is an acidic solution. the oxidation state on the metal ion hasnt changed in the reaction so c is wrong. b is wrong as the Ph would in fact be higher if a lower charge, and A is nonsense.

iii) what you said is correct so 4h2 and the two values added together

q 15 is B
Original post by Bord3r
Well it gave you a ratio which was in relation to XYZ respectively so I think it did matter. You'd only lose one mark if you didn't though.


Was it XYZ 221?

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Reply 2127
Original post by TheNoobyPotato
Was it XYZ 221?

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Yes, I believe so. I had the two Zs on the Hydrogens on the ends of the benzene ring (opposite the ketone group) and the two Ys the next two hydrogens up from there on both rings then the Xs the next two up again.
Original post by lewiss111
heres my thoughts on your queries:

q20 i believe is d, and not c. c is hydrogenation with a nickel catalyst and hydrogen (reduction) d



Thanks, But in D its acting as a strong base accepting a H+ and in A, the aldehyde is being reduced, so i put C,
Reply 2129
Original post by mar junior
Thanks, But in D its acting as a strong base accepting a H+ and in A, the aldehyde is being reduced, so i put C,


Yeah C is correct as it is electrophilic addition. The C=C has a high electron density so there's no way a nucleophile is going to attack it.
Original post by lewiss111
heres my thoughts on your queries:

q1 is c

q20 i believe is d, and not c. c is hydrogenation with a nickel catalyst and hydrogen (reduction) d

q4 is c

q18 is a


q6 is c) because a higher charge density on the metal ion polarises the water ligands to a greater extent, making the hydrogen bonded to the oxygen more delta possitve and more easily lost. the reaction they chose is actually showing why a complex ion is an acidic solution. the oxidation state on the metal ion hasnt changed in the reaction so c is wrong. b is wrong as the Ph would in fact be higher if a lower charge, and A is nonsense.

iii) what you said is correct so 4h2 and the two values added together

q 15 is B


yep got all of these! yessss
Original post by mar junior
Can someone help me with the following questions and clear up any doubt please? ive given an answer and my reasoning behind it, i could be wrong though..

IMG01261-20130620-1043.jpg

For this question i got the answer as C, as number of moles does not affect the e cell value (read this in many books) also the e cell is the most positive (right) minus the most negative (left)

IMG01264-20130620-1044.jpg

I got the answer to be C, As it is 2 negative species attacking eachother which is unlikely and the other 3 show the H- acting as things it says its good at.

IMG01262-20130620-1043.jpg

For this one i got the answer to be C again, i chose zinc but realized since it did not have a incomplete D shell could not catalyze reactions

IMG01265-20130620-1044.jpg

Answer = A
Because the oxygen group needs to come off by accepting the lone pair, while the nucleophile attacks the slightly positive carbon.

IMG01263-20130620-1043.jpg

I chose D because the h20 has deprotonated the cation and for the charges to balance, the metal has to decrease by 1.

IMG01267-20130620-1057.jpg

4 H2 molecules and the enthalpy change is just the benzene hydrogenation and the other 1 added together.

The type of reaction is an addition right?

IMG01266-20130620-1056.jpg

Answer is B, Because the first one isnt optically active, and the 3rd and 4th both have an extra cooh and nh2 group, increasing the acidity/basity and making the ph less equal, so B would give a neutral soultion.

Thanks in advance


Cheers pal. Could you upload the one about forming a polyamide (from the mcq)?
Reply 2132
Original post by James A
Cheers pal. Could you upload the one about forming a polyamide (from the mcq)?


It was the ones with NH2 and COCl groups if I remember correctly.
Original post by mar junior
Can someone help me with the following questions and clear up any doubt please? ive given an answer and my reasoning behind it, i could be wrong though..

IMG01261-20130620-1043.jpg

For this question i got the answer as C, as number of moles does not affect the e cell value (read this in many books) also the e cell is the most positive (right) minus the most negative (left)

IMG01264-20130620-1044.jpg

I got the answer to be C, As it is 2 negative species attacking eachother which is unlikely and the other 3 show the H- acting as things it says its good at.

IMG01262-20130620-1043.jpg

For this one i got the answer to be C again, i chose zinc but realized since it did not have a incomplete D shell could not catalyze reactions

IMG01265-20130620-1044.jpg

Answer = A
Because the oxygen group needs to come off by accepting the lone pair, while the nucleophile attacks the slightly positive carbon.

IMG01263-20130620-1043.jpg

I chose D because the h20 has deprotonated the cation and for the charges to balance, the metal has to decrease by 1.

IMG01267-20130620-1057.jpg

4 H2 molecules and the enthalpy change is just the benzene hydrogenation and the other 1 added together.

The type of reaction is an addition right?

IMG01266-20130620-1056.jpg

Answer is B, Because the first one isnt optically active, and the 3rd and 4th both have an extra cooh and nh2 group, increasing the acidity/basity and making the ph less equal, so B would give a neutral soultion.

Thanks in advance


How come 18 is a?

The carbon atom doesn't accept a pair of electrons from the c=o bond. :s-smilie:

Or are you referring to the second step in the mechanism.

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Original post by Bord3r
It was the ones with NH2 and COCl groups if I remember correctly.


It was either b or d. I just guessed with B, but we need to see the question again to make a definitive conclusion because that one confused me in the exam. Not even gonna lie but I spent a whole minute debating on whether it was b or d :lol:
Original post by mar junior
Can someone help me with the following questions and clear up any doubt please? ive given an answer and my reasoning behind it, i could be wrong though..

IMG01261-20130620-1043.jpg

For this question i got the answer as C, as number of moles does not affect the e cell value (read this in many books) also the e cell is the most positive (right) minus the most negative (left)

IMG01264-20130620-1044.jpg

I got the answer to be C, As it is 2 negative species attacking eachother which is unlikely and the other 3 show the H- acting as things it says its good at.

IMG01262-20130620-1043.jpg

For this one i got the answer to be C again, i chose zinc but realized since it did not have a incomplete D shell could not catalyze reactions

IMG01265-20130620-1044.jpg

Answer = A
Because the oxygen group needs to come off by accepting the lone pair, while the nucleophile attacks the slightly positive carbon.

IMG01263-20130620-1043.jpg

I chose D because the h20 has deprotonated the cation and for the charges to balance, the metal has to decrease by 1.

IMG01267-20130620-1057.jpg

4 H2 molecules and the enthalpy change is just the benzene hydrogenation and the other 1 added together.

The type of reaction is an addition right?

IMG01266-20130620-1056.jpg

Answer is B, Because the first one isnt optically active, and the 3rd and 4th both have an extra cooh and nh2 group, increasing the acidity/basity and making the ph less equal, so B would give a neutral soultion.

Thanks in advance


Could you please post a link to the actual paper? it would really help put my mind at ease.
Or just post it as attachments :smile: The anxiety is killing me aha
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Original post by James A
Cheers pal. Could you upload the one about forming a polyamide (from the mcq)?


Sorry about the camera quality but these are the only pages i can do at the moment, Ill try upload the rest later:

Can you explain to me if any of these are right, ive given my answer with a reason. Thanks.
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For this one i picked B, As D was acting as a zwitterion, A was not the actual molecule and I dont know about c.

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10 Was a ligand exchange
11 Was C, as it was a tertiary alcohol so could not be oxidized
12 was 3, I tried drawing them out and got 3.

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Put D, As it was the only 2 capable of forming an amide (C=O-N--H) Bond, C could not be polymerized and the others wouldnt give amide linkages.

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Wasnt sure about 7 so i put D,
8 = D, as i tried calculating them and the chromium cannot have a negative charge.
9: D, as the other ones sounded reasonably probable and i've heard of transition metals doing all those things apart from D,

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For 19 i put B Due to the formation of the bond and the fact that the entire methanol minus the hydrogen could just attach onto the end of the carboxylic acid.

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For 5 i put C, because increased entropy means more stability and for the next one i put D, which i now know is incorrect.

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Original post by mar junior
Sorry about the camera quality but these are the only pages i can do at the moment, Ill try upload the rest later:

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Cheers pal, I'll have a look at it!
For the hydrogenation question why wasn't it 3.5H2 and -328 for the enthalpy change?
Reply 2139
Original post by mar junior
Sorry about the camera quality but these are the only pages i can do at the moment, Ill try upload the rest later:

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IMG01271-20130620-1354.jpg

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In order of the questions on in the above pictures.

1) I put D but I'm sure the answers actually B
2) Ligand Exchange D
3) C as it is a tertiary alcohol so is not oxidised by dichromate
4) 3 which was B
5) D
6) A lower pH
7) D
8) D
9) B
10) A
11) B
12) C increase in Entropy
13) I put D but the answer is C
14) Titre of 1.8 moldm-3

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