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Reply 60
Original post by Martyn*
If they treat animals as badly as that they must be less than human.

Chinese people brought up in the West don't treat animals like that and are as horrified as us at Chinas treatment of animals. So it seems to be a cultural problem, nothing about them being a 'subspecies'.
Reply 62
Original post by Phantom Lord
Chinese people brought up in the West don't treat animals like that and are as horrified as us at Chinas treatment of animals. So it seems to be a cultural problem, nothing about them being a 'subspecies'.


Even if it is a cultural problem it still doesn't mean that they are not a 'subspecies' for doing it. It is completely barbaric in the extreme to rip the fur of a live defenseless animal and throw it onto a heap where it bleeds to death writing around in its agony with others of its kind. There is simply no justification for this, not even culture!
Reply 63
Original post by McHumpy92
YES


Perhaps you didn't look into the link, so I will take the liberty of posting the horrific facts I found there.


1.

1. Puppy mills are large-scale commercial dog breeding operations that put greater priority on profits than the health and well-being of the puppies.

2.

Many dogs are plagued with illnesses or infirmaries like kidney or heart disease, as a result of the poor conditions they’re kept in.



3.

2. Each year, thousands of young and healthy Greyhounds are killed because they lack racing potential or have been injured while racing and are no longer competitive.

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3. Dogfighting became prevalent in the U.S. after the Civil War, with professional pits proliferating in the 1860s. And was a source of entertainment for police officers and firemen.

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4. Today dogfighting has been reported in urban, suburban, and rural settings in all regions of the country.

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6. It’s been estimated that there are 900 to 2,000 new cases every year of animal hoarding in the US, with a quarter of a million animals falling victim.

7.

7. Over 100 million animals mice, rats, dogs, cats, rabbits, monkeys, birds, among others are killed in U.S. laboratories for chemical, drug, food, and cosmetics testing every year.

8.

8. Every major circus that uses animals has been cited for violating the minimal standards of care set by the United States Animal Welfare (AWA).

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9. Most rodeo events rely on creating a stressful environment for the domesticated and often docile animals involved. Participants often rely on harsh handling practices (such as twisting calves’ tails or painful electric shocks) to make animals run faster or buck harder.

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10. The exotic pet trade is a multi-billion dollar industry in the U.S. And while some wild pets have been bred in captivity, many are taken directly from their native habitats. The stress of being violently removed from their homes causes a number of these animals to die prematurely.

11.

11. Due to genetic manipulation, 90 percent of broiler chickens (chicken bred specifically for meat production) have trouble walking.


Link: http://www.dosomething.org/tipsandtools/11-facts-about-animal-cruelty

Someone please justify this to me, because it doesn't seem any better or less barbaric than the actions of the "subspecies".

It's quite sad really, that some people are so in denial and refuse to acknowledge that China is not the only country with such a huge animal rights problem.
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Reply 64
Original post by PinkFire
Perhaps you didn't look into the link, so I will take the liberty of posting the horrific facts I found there.


1.

1. Puppy mills are large-scale commercial dog breeding operations that put greater priority on profits than the health and well-being of the puppies.

2.

Many dogs are plagued with illnesses or infirmaries like kidney or heart disease, as a result of the poor conditions they’re kept in.



3.

2. Each year, thousands of young and healthy Greyhounds are killed because they lack racing potential or have been injured while racing and are no longer competitive.

4.

3. Dogfighting became prevalent in the U.S. after the Civil War, with professional pits proliferating in the 1860s. And was a source of entertainment for police officers and firemen.

5.

4. Today dogfighting has been reported in urban, suburban, and rural settings in all regions of the country.

6.

6. It’s been estimated that there are 900 to 2,000 new cases every year of animal hoarding in the US, with a quarter of a million animals falling victim.

7.

7. Over 100 million animals mice, rats, dogs, cats, rabbits, monkeys, birds, among others are killed in U.S. laboratories for chemical, drug, food, and cosmetics testing every year.

8.

8. Every major circus that uses animals has been cited for violating the minimal standards of care set by the United States Animal Welfare (AWA).

9.

9. Most rodeo events rely on creating a stressful environment for the domesticated and often docile animals involved. Participants often rely on harsh handling practices (such as twisting calves’ tails or painful electric shocks) to make animals run faster or buck harder.

10.

10. The exotic pet trade is a multi-billion dollar industry in the U.S. And while some wild pets have been bred in captivity, many are taken directly from their native habitats. The stress of being violently removed from their homes causes a number of these animals to die prematurely.

11.

11. Due to genetic manipulation, 90 percent of broiler chickens (chicken bred specifically for meat production) have trouble walking.


Link: http://www.dosomething.org/tipsandtools/11-facts-about-animal-cruelty

Someone please justify this to me, because it doesn't seem any better or less barbaric than the actions of the "subspecies".

It's quite sad really, that some people are so in denial and refuse to acknowledge that China is not the only country with such a huge animal rights problem.


Tl;dr (srs)
Rabbit is delicious. I can't speak for dogs/cats/turtles but rabbit really is nice meat.
Reply 66
Original post by Bethany221
Absolutely.
In mainland China dogs,rabbits,pangolins and so on are taken as something eatable. They're totally into and ok with that. Gross. :hmpf:


Rabbits? Eatable? What is this madness!

Rabbits have been a food in this country since they were introduced! You can buy them in the butchers ffs.

I find you very hypocritical, why is it OK to eat pigs and not dogs? Give me one, sensible serious reason.

Not eating rare animals - fair enough, but assigning certain animals as 'eatable' because your culture traditionally eats them and condemning others for eating the ones you haven't included?

I don't think animals should be treated cruelly, but our culture has some shocking factory farming techniques so we can hardly go shouting at others for treating animals badly. We just like to hide our mistreatment behind walls.

Also, I think China's treatment of its humans is of more importance, personally.
Reply 67
Original post by Clare~Bear
Because it's actually a right wing country which is obvious if you know anything about politics and China. It's capitalising on a large available workforce, from poor backgrounds that are willing to do job for a pitence, else they'll starve. If they were left wing, then they'd have more consideration for their people and not exploit them.



Original post by Clip
I love this.

One of the only communist regimes in history - and according to you, it's actually not.

Given that North Korea, is as bad if not worse and Vietnam was historically no bed of roses - are you basically saying that there is no historic example of a communist government? You're essentially saying that "the left is a purely subjective concept based on things that meet with my approval"


Wow, I can't agree more than I do with Clip. Person with leftist views looks at a country with extreme leftist policies and proclaims it to be on the right because they don't like the results of those policies. I am amazed at peoples ability to deny reality rather than question their own ideology.
Original post by ckingalt
Wow, I can't agree more than I do with Clip. Person with leftist views looks at a country with extreme leftist policies and proclaims it to be on the right because they don't like the results of those policies. I am amazed at peoples ability to deny reality rather than question their own ideology.


Another +1 from me.

It's stupefying that people can point to countries such as USSR and Cuba and say 'well, that wasn't proper Communism, my form of Communism is much better and will totally solve all our problems'.

Were international communists of the 1920s and 1930s rabidly denouncing Lenin and Stalin over failure to introduce workers' managment or were they busy supporting the hell out of the Soviet Union?

Sure communists today, after the USSR had shown itself as a failure try to distance themselves from it, but at the time?
Reply 69
Original post by rcummins1
So we're allowed to cook lobsters alive, but they're not allowed to cook dogs? GTFO you self-righteous lefties.


Lobsters have very low brain function. That said I don't agree with cooking them alive either.
Disgusting. It's not that they eat weird meats. I'm not saying they shouldn't eat dog. But they should at the very least first kill the animal in the most humane, painless way possible first.
Reply 71
Original post by Martyn*
If they treat animals as badly as that they must be less than human.


Do you eat meat?
Reply 72
Original post by Gillybop
I done a little bit of research into this, as when I was in china, the whole cooking fish alive and serving them etc was completely shocking, and the glee on their faces as it flipped around on the plate, completely deep fried really angered me.

But it stems from their childhood and education, they are never taught, or believe that they have life, like we do for instance, they are merely 'moving things' so when they bring out a bowl of live tiger prawns that steams on your table while they flip around, just look upon them as moving, the way a vegetable would wilt, and you can get an idea of why they show such nonchalance towards it.

I'm not saying I like it any more, just that I understand if now.


It's Japan that do the whole live fish thing not China.
Oh, that's really horrible :frown: that video makes me so angry, why does that guy think he has the right to do that? How can people like that get away with it?? :mad:



What's more, I just can't stop my teacups attacking my pets :-[

(sorry, couldn't resist..)
Original post by ckingalt
Wow, I can't agree more than I do with Clip. Person with leftist views looks at a country with extreme leftist policies and proclaims it to be on the right because they don't like the results of those policies. I am amazed at peoples ability to deny reality rather than question their own ideology.


Socialist and communist idealogies are different though.

I proclaim that it isn't truely communist. It's mainly capitalist now, although it may still have some left wing policies/ideals within government.
Reply 75
If I was starving I'd eat anything.
Reply 76
yay another QQ thread against China

When is the pogrom starting? I'll grab my pitchfork.
If more exotic/rare animals were tasty there would be more of them as people would want to eat them. It is the best way to save a species if it is done correctly as a lot of money will be put into farming them if there is a market.
Reply 78
Original post by Martyn*
They part-boil dogs alive in water to make them taste better for human consumption, their fur farms are shocking (apparently), and now they are using live turtles as keyrings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU1XGXMELyw

Of course, it is not just China. But I am talking specifically about China. When Morrissey blurted that the Chinese were a 'subspecies' for their cruel treatment of circus animals, he was branded a racist (not for the first time).

But live turtles as a keyring?! Surely, there is something stupid about that? My keys are always in my bag and they get knocked about. Imagine if that poor turtle was in my bag? It would be traumatised and probably crushed by bags of frozen veg, frozen chicken portions, and the odd pineapple.



You sound like someone typically western priviledged rooted in a developed world psychology. Most of the world have barely enough to eat.

Think it's because their agriculture has historically been based on rice farming as their main staple. But rice farming is difficult to grow successfully and when it fails which is likely, people end up starving and experience famine. So they have to turn to other food sources. Therefore they see animals as a food source. Those people with crude attitudes to animals are most likely from the rural areas, where they come from farming culture. There are lots of rural people in urban areas so you bring with them their animals. The cruel attitude to animals is probably same as the medieval attitude to animals, when farming was the norm back then. There has always been famine in China. Not just there but many other developing countries in the world. That doesn't excuse mal-treatment however, they should catch up with western ideals in due course. I predict. Just like with solar power and low carbon technology. Their government need to put into action legislation to encourage social attitude changes. Just like what happens here, champaign, legislate and then generalized social change revolutions take effect.

Doesn't take much imagination to work this out.
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Reply 79
Original post by redferry
It's Japan that do the whole live fish thing not China.

They do it in China, and Korea also, my friend who is Chinese was somewhat of a connoisseur of 'speed cooking' and tried to get me to love it also.

I was served live squid in Taiwan, which I didn't order, it was literally crawling off the plate.

Oh and in Vietnam, I went to a snake resturant and had snake served several different way, one was the beating heart in whisky.

Delicious.

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