The Manchester United Thread X

he wasn't played on the wing last season though, he played up front...you don't even know where your own players play

forget it mate, questioning the second coming of Jesus/Pele and Marradona that is Wilshere is a crime against humanity on the internet.

when he fails to live up to the hype like most English youngsters it will be us laughing at them but hey.

Tbf Walcott did only play up front briefly at the start of the season, he was mainly played on the wing. Walcott has the standard problem he's had for a long while, he have a blinder score a hat trick then decline for the next few games then bang in two in a game. If we are judging players on their ability in random games, then Nani is the best winger in the league. That said, our winger were abysmal last season but we didn't really play with wingers. Valencia did a job of sorts out wide, Young barely featured, same with Nani, Welbeck played a winger forward role, Kagawa out wide.

Cleverly isn't on the same level as JW, not even close. I would said he's probably in the second tier of European young CM's just behind Thiago and Kroos but alongside the likes of Pogba and Verratii. Clev on the other hand is second rate, much like Welbeck I question whether if he were not at the club already would we consider signing him.

Was anyone saying he was the next coming of Jesus, Pele or anyone else? No. It's quite clear the he's a better player than Cleverly though, who is also 3 years older. That doesn't mean he's not overrated by Arsenal fans.

I disagree, he has the potential to be better than Cleverley but right now I would say they are about level. (apparently an opinion that is banned on the internet despite being one that clearly the England manager shares giving his team selections in the past but hey)

(apparently an opinion that is banned on the internet despite being one that clearly the England manager shares giving his team selections in the past but hey)

its not banned on the internet... just pretty commonly seen as ****ing stupid

I like both players, and both clubs pretty equally... but cleverly is still in the 'showing promise' phase

Whereas wilshire, when fit, just makes you sit back and admire.. some of his games (brazil, barca, etc) have been incredible.. - if it wasn't for wenger's bad management of him, then we would be seeing him a lot more, and all be praising him..

as for this section.. its just plain silly..

Wilshire: 7 caps
Cleverly: 9 caps

- though considering:

Cleverly is 3 years older,
Wilshire was injured for 18 months..

-- the fact that he has anywhere near as many caps as Cleverly just shows how valued he is by the national manager..

I thought Walcott played so much better before he signed his £100,000 a week contract. But I agree Nani is better than any of our and Arsenals wingers when he is fully fit and not injured that is.

most of those caps for both have come in the last 2 years

the fact you can only name two stand out performances of his says a LOT frankly, Cleverley may not give games on that level but he plays at a good level a lot more often, consistency is just as important as ability, nobody would rate Messi if he only played that well 5 games out of 38 for instance...so why they do Wilshere is beyond me (though fairly obviously due to people being England/Arsenal fans)

Scores 21 goals almost all from the wing in a season.

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'**** on the wing'

Seriously? I understand it's been vogue to hate on Walcott for the past 5 seasons now but this just shows how little of Walcott you watched last season (and the season before).

With regards to Cleverley/Wilshere, Wilshere is clearly a cut above. Cleverley is a tidy player, I actually thought they played quite well together against Brazil, but Wilshere has the ability to grab a game by the balls and drag a team to victory. Cleverley will keep you ticking but is less likely to produce a moment of magic to win a game.

When Cleverley really came onto the scene about 2 years ago, he looked very promising. Two years later, where has he gotten? He's lost that promise and now just feels like he's an average player. I agree with Doggyfizzel completely, Cleverley isn't anywhere close to being considered a good midfielder, and he isn't the type of player we would look at twice if he wasn't in our team. In fact, none of Cleverley, Jones, Welbeck or Smalling have built on the promise they've shown, and if anything they've regressed. To be fair to Welbeck and Jones, they've been forced out of position most of the time, as has Smalling on the rare opportunities he gets to play. As for Cleverley, there aren't the same excuses...Prior to getting injured in that Bolton game 2 years ago, he was looking great in the first 4-5 games of that season. Since then, I haven't really felt the same about him. This season is going to be huge for him, as it seems we're not going to sign anyone in midfield. He absolutely has to improve, same for Anderson.

Arsenal are in talks with Gustavo