The Manchester United Thread X

not interested in the rest of the argument thats gone on, but I would like to challenge this point. It is not neccessarily true that because a player is young (under 23) he hasnt reached his peak. In fact players tend to peak at different ages depending largely on what position they play. Some positions require someone with great experience, great pace or flair. Arguably Pirlo, Scholes, Xavi and now carrick all peaked at around 32 Because the deep lying playmaker role takes someone with experience (although veratti seems very able in this role for someone so young). While positions that require pace tend to have players who peak early- michael owen won the ballon d'or when he was 20/21.

Another couple of examples:

Messi has scored almost a goal a game since he was 21- Scored 38 in 51
Rooney has scored almost a goal every 2 games since he was 20- scored 23 in 55
Ronaldo scored 42 in 49 when he was 23

so some players can reach the highest level early on in their career.
Also how many young english players have been touted as the next best thing because they show promise at an early age but never really advance from that level...

but dont take my word for it, this was a good article by the person who writes for zonal marking.

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/tacticsandanalysis/id/1605?cc=5739

It is fantastic.

He realises there is a part of the team that could do with strengthening, but he wont just rush out and buy the wrong player for the wrong price.

It takes a strong person to do that. Most managers would crumble under the pressure of the media and the fans and just spend 35m on a flop to shut everyone up.

Wilian transfer to Chelsea makes no sense, I think Chelsea may be preparing to bid for Rooney with Mata involved. Would reject that why would we need Mata or Ozil if we don't even use a AM, we already have Kagawa who with BVB was just as good.

Wilian transfer to Chelsea makes no sense, I think Chelsea may be preparing to bid for Rooney with Mata involved. Would reject that why would we need Mata or Ozil if we don't even use a AM, we already have Kagawa who with BVB was just as good.

You wouldn't take Mata or Ozil over Kagawa?

It is fantastic.

He realises there is a part of the team that could do with strengthening, but he wont just rush out and buy the wrong player for the wrong price.

It takes a strong person to do that. Most managers would crumble under the pressure of the media and the fans and just spend 35m on a flop to shut everyone up.

He wasted a good 3/4 weeks on a player that was never coming (Fabregas).

You wouldn't take Mata or Ozil over Kagawa?

They don't really need them tbh, and it's not like Mata is a ridiculous level above kags, add to that Ozil is great for 70mins and is subbed off as he can't finish a game

Sorry, I can't buy this. He's had since the beginning of July. He wasted a good 3/4 weeks on a player that was never coming (Fabregas). Yes, maybe his agent may have given us hope, but he really should have kept his options open. Our back-room staff is big enough for that. There were/are PLENTY of quality midfield players out there (yes, maybe not world class), but some who would get into our first team.

Hopefully Nick Powell will adapt to CM and be amazing or something, he played for the reserves today so we should see him around the first team soon if that's where he's headed.

Moyes probably won't talk about it. Just like with everyone, it's embarrassing to explain a stupid action you've committed, in this case, the confusingly low and mistimed Baines and Fellaini bid.

It's being rumoured he might be sent out on loan which is a possibility - don't think he appeared much or at all during the pre-season. I've not seen enough of him, no fault of his own but he deserves a sustained chance. Probably will be sent out on loan to Wigan but would prefer a PL club.

As far as I'm concerned in terms of full on youth products you've been poor since the year 2000 with youth products through and through. Bar cleverley(who's not all that anyway) and fletcher maybe there's not a single player you integrated straight up into the team. Liverpool and southampton are the only teams in the league that has been doing it properly, consistently and to a high standard.

Liverpool??? You've got to be kidding me, who have they brought in since Gerrard that's had a proper run in the team and/or been any good? Martin Kelly and Andre Wisdom have been bit part players but that's about it.

You missed out Welbeck and Evans for starters, who've been around the first team for a while now. Then the likes of Shawcross and Pogba who've been successes elsewhere. Even the likes of Jonathon Spector, Kieran Richardson and Frazier Campbell have established themselves in the Premier League more than anyone Liverpool has produced post 2000.

Sterling as well. Pogba doesn't count, that's no different from getting fabio/rafael or arsenal getting fabregas

I think if we do well on Monday night then we should be fine for the season with out current squad, but i can see some panic buys being made if we do badly.

How do you know that? Mind sharing what's going to happen for the next couple of seasons seeing as you've apparently got a crystal ball...

How on earth can you say at this stage neither have broken into the first team? We've only played two games ffs, of which De Bruyne started one and Lukaku came on as a sub in both. De Bruyne created the second highest number of clear cut chances in the Bundesliga last season and Lukaku scored 17 goals at WBA, both are clearly good enough to challenge for a starting spot and they will.

Lukaku and Essien coming back of loan and bringing in Van Ginkel helps with striker/CM respectively, but I agree a striker and a DM are two positions we do still need to improve at.

Yeah it is retarded to go for Willian, I think the majority of Chelsea fans would agree with you, but it's possible there's a good reason for it which we don't know about. Or far more likely, it's complete BS made up by Willian's agent/Anzhi. And mate, you've been interchanging 'young players' and 'youth players' to suit your point along with several other completely bizarre statements (a 21-year old footballer isn't young?) and apparently have the ability to see the future, so about you being right...

Chelsea beat us 3 times last season, we have not strengthened and they have ...not to mention that they had and have better players than us last season and this season with great squad depth. My only hope is they were not very good against Villa and their weak striking options. otherwise we will be outclassed in midfield and lose the game.