The Chelsea F.C. Thread IV

List can go on for 100s of pages if we were to think of it that way.
I don't mind conceding 1-2 goals here and there BUT the biggest problem is not being able to penetrate defenses and create valid and clear cut chances which we were able to last season with ease.
Juan Mata looks like a lost soul everytime he gets subbed on - feel sorry for him.
Team has no organization, leadership, balance in formation/play. There is no real plan in the build up or gameplay, every player is hoping for the other to create and no one is.
Problem is Jose Mourinho thinking Etoo can play Drogba role. We don't have a Drogba type player in our team - Lukaku is out for another year. Need January to come and just buy Benteke or someone like him. If Benteke can play this well with Aston Villa, I'm sure he can play the same if not better at a top club.
Willian = 30 Million
Benteke - would have been 20-25 million and we'd have had 5 million in the bank.
Talk about priorities.

dodgy start for moriniho..

He does slightly seem filled with negativity these days, even when things arent going badly - he doesnt look positive.. and seems to have grown a habbit at madrid of blaming players to much..

Cant help but think he is causing to much of a bad atmostphere amoungst players, and its causing them to not play or function like a cohesive team..
Tell me, are you close to the players, do you watch their training sessions. Please tell me what hazard and terry think of the manager, and who's the most likely out of the player personnel to bang eva holland while we're at it
though if he does loose his place.. (lets be honest, 2-3 more lossess and it could happen) then he will go down for one mistake above all others:

Why the hell is mata not the first name on the team-sheet, for every single game he is fit?
This is the most ridiculous part of the thing, mata was unfit in preseason after playing 70 games last season, why should we then go and play him again at the start of the season and risk long term problems(especially when he didn't even have pre-season for us), even messi got overused last season and you could see what it did to the team.
He was chelseas best player last year, and arguably one of the top3 in the whole league... the single most decisive man in chelseas team.. who is being benched???

Its like moyes coming in and benching RVP each game..
No it's not, as RVP was fit every single game, this is a homegame to basel, where he rested players in order for us to cope with the demands of playing football 2 times a week, how about when rafa benched mata and that when we lost to QPR, when we didn't have good enough players to come in. He did it because he thought we could win the game against them and also give them a rest as we had a very heavy fixture schedule.

Bits in bold. Personally I think that people have a vendetta against us and want to watch us fail under mourinho. In fact I'm sure of it. Full of haters. It's increasingly pitiful that some people in this thread wait for us to lose then go in meltdown. Look at guardiola's start at barca, yet he won a treble the same season. Matter of fact is that we are still in every competition, on the same points total as all the teams we're most likely going to title challenge with. Looking at it in this sense, we're not doing as badly as people would like us to think.

2 defeats in a row is bad for a team like us yes, but it does happen.

Yeah more delusion. Don't think you'll be able to refute anything I've said.

the bit with mata, I did fairly clearly say 'should be started if fit'

Dont get me wrong, I dont hate chelsea, and im certianly not assosiated with the group of people who came here last night to make fun of chelsea fans..

That was just my casual thoughts after the game, nothing to serrious so dont take it as such

- with the atmostphere, was just casual observation from watching the morhino's interviews over the past few years, his whole persona and presence seems to have changed for me since being at madrid.. it almost feels to me like a little bit of him broke there, and he slightly lost his confidence and way..
(once again though, replying with 'oh so do you know morhino? and what he is thinking??? - is just stupid, as these are just, as said, casual observations.. not presented as fact, or as anything but my random football thoughts)

There is a strong vendetta against chelsea though.. arguably its understandable why people would dislike the club, but I take issue with people who take it out on the chelsea fans - taunting them after losses, and miss-dirrecting thier anger from the owner of the club, to its fan base.

Yes, but you were comparing it to RVP being benched when it's clearly a different case as I said.

Sorry about the arrogant retort there. Just channeling my annoyance about the situation.

I do agree that mourinho feels a bit different after the madrid spell, but it happens with every manager. Personally think that mourinho was very unlucky at madrid, he didn't do too badly in terms of what a madrid manager is expected to do, but because mourinho has the reputation of a trophy machine and he has the same expectations of himself it may have affected him.

I know there is a vendetta against chelsea, hence why I made the comment. But even if you don't like a team(not you but in general), is there a need to make false uninformed statements in an attempt to piss people off?

I'd like to apologize for my kneejerk reaction yesterday. It doesn't help that I was slightly drunk as well.

Everyone has every right to be disappointed with Chelsea's relatively poor start so far. But we all have to be patient. Jose's record speaks for itself and you can't keep sacking managers every season. Chelsea need some stability and have to hope that they will be rewarded if they stick it out with Jose.

Jose's main problem atm is that he doesn't know his best team yet. If he keeps tinkering around with the team, the team won't gel and function as a unit. If the team don't gel, then more bad results will follow. Furthermore, even though Chelsea have created and missed some great chances in most of their games so far this season, I have never felt confident that Chelsea were gonna score more than 1 goal in half of their games. This is mainly due to a consistent lack in creating clear cut chances. Jose cannot rely on his defence as he was able to in his first stint at Chelsea. He has to adjust his tactics to improve Chelsea's chance creation, which should enable them to outscore their opponents. The central midfield is also critical. He has to find his best CM pairing soon, so that they can develop some chemistry between each other and dominate the midfield.

I would be lying if I said I have been impressed with Eto'o so far. But I see no reason why he can't score a fair amount of goals for Chelsea if Jose can sort out Chelsea's chance creation tactics (e.g. addressing their lack of width). Eto'o certainly looks a better bet up front than Torres or Ba.

On a more positive note, I thought Willian had a good debut. Hazard was poor and looks like he needs a rest. I would like it if Hazard is on the bench on Saturday.

P.S. I was planning on taking a break from TSR but it's hard to stay away from the Football Forum. So I made this account specifically for the Football forum.

the point I was trying to get at, was that if both fit, they should be the first name on a team-sheet.. it seems for many, that even though mata may have some fitness issues this year, he is not getting the priority he should be.. (as RVP does)

Whether that is stupid, as mata is not match fit, - is second to the point, though many chelsea fans ive spoken to now im back at uni, seem to be very suspicious that him being un-fit is not the reason he is missing games..

+ I did feel sory for morinho at madrid.. he looked so sad, especially towards the end.. and that final year now seems to have over-rulled the great record-setting year, he had before.. and his more then admirable record against barca..

I do think he will do well at chelsea, and I would hate to see him go.. but I do think he needs to adapt and get settled pretty quickly.. (hard for any manager to do with a set-up like chelsea though)

Just have a bad feeling negative press will spiral, his attitude wont be as resliant as it once was, the players will suffer -and things could go a bit wrong, a bit quickly.. - but hopefully not.. (especially with the chelsea players I have in my FF tea )

- as for your final point.. it depends on the intention.. ofcourse if its just to piss people off, then yeah, its stupid.. - if its just expressing an opinion, especially from the casual/less serrious fans on here, after a game.. then no, I dont think there is anythinr wrong with that

I'd quite like to see Schurrle and Oscar play simply because Oscar is in goal scoring form and Schurrle has been very close a number of times - at least he's prepared to take shots on. Mata or De Bruyne as well, both need a chance at 90 minutes to prove they can be decisive. Lampard & Ramires is the only partnership that has really accomplished anything in midfield so I wouldn't mind that, or another chance for Van Ginkel or Luiz in there.

Maybe stick with Eto'o for a bit to see if he can find some form, we kind of need him to if we have any aspirations for the season beyond simply getting top 4.

Luiz will never be played in Midfield by Jose. And yes, without Etoo top 4 is out of the equation because how how well other teams are doing.

Don't be ridiculous. We've taken the same number of points in the league as City and United, and we dropped our points at Everton and United, unlike for instance City who dropped their points at Cardiff and Stoke. We did play **** against Basel and Everton, but we've played 4 league games ffs, it's still early days. I think November has just come early for us.

No one is doing particularly well IMO. Liverpool and Tottenham are getting results but haven't been particularly convincing, United and City are in a similar situation to us. Arsenal have been doing well, and probably have looked the most dangerous, but now they're playing 2 games a week I think their thin squad and injuries will start to take their toll.

We shouldn't judge Mourinho so much just yet.. he's just playing around with the squad, and needs time to figure out his best 11.

The biggest problem for me is Mata, if he is fit, I really don't understand why he's hardly playing. He's been our best player for few seasons, and it's really sad to think that Jose may not favour him..

Joao Moutinho has only had one appearance with Monaco so far. He'd get loads of game time for us if we had signed him

(probably not loads but he'd have been useful!)

Oh and, Romeu hasn't had a single appearance at Valencia. Dukic play him you ****!

Obviously would be a lovely idea considering there are already countless midfielders in the team and 4-5 players competing for a spot in cdm.

Moutinho isn't a CDM. And after we signed Van Ginkel, that was more the case. Why would it have been a bad idea? Ramires is limited, Lampard can't play many games, Essien...?