The Chelsea F.C. Thread IV

I thought that he had already said that he was moving to Bayern, he was just waiting until his contract runs out.

I thought that he had already said that he was moving to Bayern, he was just waiting until his contract runs out.

she reminds me of angelina jolie in her prime fam. The italians
You're actually spot on here though. Mixed girls= damn I need to go to america man.

You just can't get any better.

I quite like Schweinsteiger's WAG.

Pretty sure Ramires did get played by RDM on the wing from time to time...Quite frequently actually if I remember? It was painful to watch.

Piazon scored 2 goals for Vitesse. He was playing as a left winger thought which is unfortunate.

EDIT: Well actually he played as a striker according to GOAL

You watching it?

Quite into Dutch football but would struggle to sit through Vitesse/Zwolle tbf, haha

Now the article then goes to say I'm probably reading a lot into this, but obviously this means that we're going to be playing a positive style of football, but it seems like it's different to the way in which we play now. So does that mean we play a full on possession game? where the likes of oscar press the opposition and give them no space to play out like barcelona? We know that RA loves the possession game and also I remember jose saying he likes the possession game too(but with a goal) when he was talking about spain playing 4-6-0 against italy. Or do we play on the counter attack, the way in which bayern did under heynckes and totally dominate the opposition from start to finish while switching the lights on and off with maximum german-like efficiency?

I've watched the whole interview with sky sports, he's saying that he wants us to always play in the high block all the time and be in possession of the ball, he wants us to be better at recovering the ball as well(why he uses oscar instead of mata as a no.10) and wants us to be efficient and ruthless with the ball than aimlessly pass it from side to side when teams just get two banks of 4 out. I can see why he's dropped mata there tbf. May be extreme in the way he's done it(especially since mata's had little gametime to prove himself so wouldn't be fit) but I understand why you'd start oscar over him. He said that our problem was that we didn't get behind defences and our lack of width which schurrle was able to do in this match(see the oscar goal) and that hazard also struggled in doing this as well. Which also is fair enough.

From what he said, I guess he may be aiming towards a style similar to Pep's Barca but more direct. So it won't be excessive tippy tappy football (fortunately for the Barca haters).


Agreed that your play was often slow. But I blame that on not enough runs off the ball behind the defence and not enough width. If Jose could address this problem, it would have brought the best out of Mata since he has great vision and passing ability.

Another problem I have with Jose regarding Mata and changing Chelsea's football style is that if Jose is really aiming for possession football, what is Ramires doing in the team? Possession football and Ramires contradict each other. You can't play possession football when people like Ramires keep giving the ball away, even when he's not under pressure.

Secondly if he wants Chelsea to be ruthless and efficient with the ball, meaning an end to aimless passing side to side (and you also said Chelsea's play was often slow), again what is Ramires doing in the team? What is Mikel doing in the team? All they do is either slow the game down because it takes too long for them to control the ball, too long to decide who to pass to, they end up passing it backwards or sideways most of the time anyway and especially in Ramires' case, he often gives away possession with his crappy ball control or inaccurate passes. How is that ruthless or efficient or helping to speed up Chelsea's game? I personally don't have that much of a problem with Mikel playing, as long as a quality DLP is playing next to him. Instead we have Ramires playing in DM, who looks like regular starter in Jose's first XI.

So already, we can see that there are massive contradictions and inconsistencies within Jose's views. Apparently, it's a big problem if Mata is not great defensively. But it's not a big problem if people like Ramires regularly give the ball away and don't offer ruthless creativity from central midfield.

And what is the point of winning the ball back if you give it away again in less than 30 secs?

Like I said above, there are inconsistencies in Jose's plans. And it makes me wonder where he's got something personal against Mata. I'm not saying he does. But it makes me wonder nonetheless. He talks about how Mata has to prove himself. But it doesn't make sense because Cole has generally been poor so far. Yet Bertrand hasn't gotten a game yet (prior to the League Cup match). Hazard wasn't good against Basel. Yet he got to play again against Fulham. Ramires has also been poor after his first two games and yet he's the first name on the team sheet for Jose. It boggles my mind.

Like I said before, we have to give Jose some time to prove himself. But he hasn't convinced me about his plans. If he wants possession football, then surely he should be playing better technical players than Ramires? And surely he should willingly give Chelsea's most technical player (Mata) a proper chance to claim a spot in the role that requires the most technique and intelligence (#10 role), rather than just writing off Mata for the #10 role and insisting he should be a winger instead? And it's not that hard to coach Mata to do a decent job pressing from the front and be quicker on the ball, is it? If he wants more ruthlessness and efficiency, why not play Chelsea's arguably best set piece taker (Mata)? If he wants more ruthlessness, why not play Chelsea's most creative player, who also scores goals (Mata)?

However, even though I disagree with Jose on this matter and how he's going about it, I admit Oscar has been better so far and deserves his spot atm. I'll give my ultimate judgement on Mourinho at the end of the season. Afterall, a change in the club's philosophy and system ain't gonna happen overnight.

You know what I fully agree with you, even in the interview he sounded iffy and tried to say things to suit his point. I would guess that he thinks this would not happen overnight. I guess oscar's form does shield any ulterior motives jose may have tbh, but I also mentioned that he said that we played ramires and oscar next to mata at times, that is an absolute lie as I said before only one of the two played next to mata when he was the no.10 under benitez and di matteo.

Saying that he used to play kalou and ramires next to mata when we first changed to the 4-2-3-1 and that may be what he was pertaining to when he said we used workhard players next to mata and to get the best out of him there we need to use players like ramires. I think he's handled the situation rather poorly in fact, but i generally agree with most of what he's saying. I don't agree with not including mata in the squad.

Originally I said that he should stick with the first 11 so they gel mata or not. He's done it without him atm and fair enough. Hopefully we get the results. I'd like to see us against man city tbh. I doubt our performance would be as pitiful as uniteds. But I do think that we'd need to press them ruthlessly and give them no space to play. They're clearly the benchmark atm.

Oh and the likes of ramires in the squad is frustrating as you say. Mikel not so much with the right partner though, but it's not the 11/12 season anymore, we don't need players like ramires starting if he's going to lose the ball majority of the time he's on it.

I'd like to say goodbye to all you guys for the meantime. Spread the peace and love init. I'll be back. But I must get on with my life. This is a new page of my life.

Regarding Man City, I agree again. You have to press them like hell to stifle their game.

Damn. What am I gonna do without you, my bredrin ? In fact, I might as well take my leave too. Good luck with your studies. Wish you all the best, fam. It's been a blast. May the force be with you.

Btw I'm gonna be taking a break from TSR so you won't see me much anymore after tonight lol.