TSR Pagan Society

Alright. Well I can clarify my points, but won't. Seems in relation to you personally, I need to change the whole basis of my conversation (seems Wicca and Paganism as a general 'branch' are different). I hope you don't mind my enquiring, I absolutely love religions of all sorts, spiritualism and naturalism etc.

To what degree do you value and trust scientific teaching?

As I'm sure you can imagine why someone would be confused by you stating that you leave "offerings" and deal in what I presume is actually MagicK? I read much on Crystal therapy, but to be honest, my conclusion was that outside of the placebo effect, there was no actual science... Feel free to refer me to a decent website; I don't want to take a lot of your energy!

Enquire away. I may sound a bit pissed off sometimes but that's more to do with the fact that a lot of the time I end up repeating things (such as the definition of paganism, I've just put it in the ask a pagan thread but it might be easier to carry on the conversation here so if you want to reply to the post I put over there, I don't mind you quoting it here) so I go on auto-pilot .
Wicca is a pagan religion but there are loads of different pagan religions apart from Wicca.



Science is fine by me.



No, magic. I hate the spelling magick. Just makes me think of the "I've read a Silver Ravenwolf book and I'm so cool and mysterious and going to rebel against the world and practise magick!" fluffy bunny teenagers and it annoys me.
(I get that a lot of people use that spelling so it doesn't get confused with stage magic or with Harry Potter magic (for example) but I tend to think that the people I'm talking to are intelligent enough to understand that my magic has nothing to do with Harry Potter or with stage magicians. )

I leave offerings because I've taken something. By offerings it could be something as simple as an apple core (well, half-eaten apple, I never eat much) so that it can then decompose and then that might help the plant regrow, or animals or whatever.

Crystals.
My view on crystal healing is that I cannot understand how something that has such a destructive mining process (not just environmental either, the conditions for the workers are terrible) could ever be used for healing.

I shall respond in this way, and you tell me whether I'm using too much space/being a nuisance. Hehe. "Science is fine by me. " Do you think that any element of science would refute what you believe and practice? As many Atheists have disputed magic and Pagan monotheism before.

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"No, magic. I hate the spelling magick. Just makes me think of the "I've read a Silver Ravenwolf book and I'm so cool and mysterious and going to rebel against the world and practise magick!" fluffy bunny teenagers and it annoys me.
(I get that a lot of people use that spelling so it doesn't get confused with stage magic or with Harry Potter magic (for example) but I tend to think that the people I'm talking to are intelligent enough to understand that my magic has nothing to do with Harry Potter or with stage magicians. )"

I thought I read somewhere that there was a differenc between magic and 'Magick' (there is in Satanism). That being said - what do you mean, when you say "magic"? I understand that Witches (is that the term for yourself) used to practice magic in that they'd use herbalism for healing etc. and potions of various uses - but isn't that refuted by modern medicine?

I'm a polytheist, not a monotheist so can't answer your last point. Honestly, I have found anything in science that refutes what I believe.

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"No, magic. I hate the spelling magick. Just makes me think of the "I've read a Silver Ravenwolf book and I'm so cool and mysterious and going to rebel against the world and practise magick!" fluffy bunny teenagers and it annoys me.
(I get that a lot of people use that spelling so it doesn't get confused with stage magic or with Harry Potter magic (for example) but I tend to think that the people I'm talking to are intelligent enough to understand that my magic has nothing to do with Harry Potter or with stage magicians. )"

I thought I read somewhere that there was a differenc between magic and 'Magick' (there is in Satanism). That being said - what do you mean, when you say "magic"? I understand that Witches (is that the term for yourself) used to practice magic in that they'd use herbalism for healing etc. and potions of various uses - but isn't that refuted by modern medicine?

Magic.... Right, imagine there is a giant web of energy which connects everything on Earth. My form of magic is focusing energy along that web to try to make it manifest into the outcome I wish. It's hard to explain, I know.

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When I said "monotheism" I meant polytheism, sorry. Perhaps you could expand on that, then?

I am starting to see and think from your point of view, now. All I really want to poke your brain on is the magic element. I understand that voicing this is somewhat challenging, but it's THE key to my getting why someone may want to practice being a modern Witch. How do you harness this magic; is it physical? Is there science to back up what you're trying to explain? Or is it more a mental imaginative belief/creation? (I don't want to patronise you).

Expand how? I believe there are many different gods and they are gods in their own right, not as aspects of a whole.



I'm going to have to come back to this as I don't have the energy to answer this right now. It might be a few days, or even a few weeks until I can answer it but tomorrow I'll dig up some references for you if you would like? And then when I have the spoons, I'll answer it with how I view it.

np :P
Yep he is also i have decided to return to Roman Paganism I cant wait to celebrate Saturnalia its gonna be fun XD

Ooh, saturnalia, isnt that where roman boys traditionally chased girls through the woods XD ? Sounds like fun haha

lol its far more then that :P it has parties role reversals Masters become servants and servants become masters clothing is more relaxed XD for a week

That sounds great anything involving parties sounds gd to me

its a week of partying drinking and feasting XD and ofcourse role reversal :P Masters working for the servants XD

Norse paganism didn't have all these?
You gave up your Norse beliefs to get some party time during Saturnalia?

I didn't give up on my norse beliefs as i was mainly looking at norse paganism and thought i would pick it but i decided to just return to Rome tbh easier.
Also atm if you have any questions please do not direct them to me i have well a personal problem irl that may change my life permanently.

Oh yes, partying is easier

I hope you'll be okay. Pray to your gods...they might do something about it .

its easier in terms i am more adapt in their names thats why i never actually set on being a pagan with a group i have to adjust to as i am very very very bad with names.

I hope i will be too :/ just quite stressed

Well, I wanted to ask you about these names and their origins but I guess it would need to wait.

Take care

Thought this might start an interesting discussion.

Christmas was not stolen from the pagans.

Do you really? I don't think I've even seen that thread

:O You've been brainwashed!

Thought this might start an interesting discussion.

Christmas was not stolen from the pagans.