The 13/14 NBA Season Thread

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Reply 440

IDukem

Original post by S-man10

Could someone explain how anyone can argue Kobe being the best offensive player ever?

I'm sure he's probably said a few bad words to Shaq and Gasol in his time.

Reply 441

S-man10

Original post by IDukem

I'm sure he's probably said a few bad words to Shaq and Gasol in his time.

Now that would make sense. Dwight can say that too

But seriously...

Reply 442

HarryJames

Original post by S-man10

Could someone explain how anyone can argue Kobe being the best offensive player ever?

He's surely in the conversation?

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Reply 443

IDukem

Original post by HarryJames

He's surely in the conversation?

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I'd say he's up there, but in terms of offensive production there's a few players i'd pick over him personally.

Reply 444

Jingers

Original post by S-man10

Could someone explain how anyone can argue Kobe being the best offensive player ever?

You could easily make an argument for it: clutch, winning mentality, great scorer.

Reply 445

IDukem

Original post by Jingers

You could easily make an argument for it: clutch, winning mentality, great scorer.

You could make an argument for his being one of the greatest offensive players of all time, but I can't see him being the greatest. The three categories you just mentioned right there, Michael Jordan was more clutch, had a greater winning mentality and was a greater scorer than Kobe in my opinion.

Reply 446

alexsong

Original post by IDukem

The argument would probably be its harder to score nowadays because the general athleticism level around the league has probably gone up but its not an argument I would personally make

Reply 447

HarryJames

Original post by IDukem

I'd say he's up there, but in terms of offensive production there's a few players i'd pick over him personally.

I agree I wouldn't pick him either but it wouldn't be a completely crazy thing to say

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Reply 448

S-man10

Original post by HarryJames

I agree I wouldn't pick him either but it wouldn't be a completely crazy thing to say

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Tbh it would be, which is why I can't take it seriously. Jordan and Kobe are alike players, yet Jordan excelled Kobe in everything by miles. One of them, yes. The best... Never

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Reply 449

S-man10

Original post by alexsong

The argument would probably be its harder to score nowadays because the general athleticism level around the league has probably gone up but its not an argument I would personally make

It would be a bad argument to make since athletically Jordan was better than anyone in his time and is still better than many players now days

Reply 450

S-man10

Original post by Jingers

You could easily make an argument for it: clutch, winning mentality, great scorer.

Hello Jingers, haven't seen you in a while. How you feeling about Melo leading the knicks lol

Reply 451

HarryJames

Original post by S-man10

Tbh it would be, which is why I can't take it seriously. Jordan and Kobe are alike players, yet Jordan excelled Kobe in everything by miles. One of them, yes. The best... Never

I would disagree with that, MJ was never the greatest shooter especially from deep, Kobe has more range

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Reply 452

S-man10

Original post by HarryJames

I would disagree with that, MJ was never the greatest shooter especially from deep, Kobe has more range

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So Kevin Durant. We are talking about offensive, so its not just limited to shooting. Jordan didn't see the need to shoot when we could get by players and post up all the time. It was the way the triangle was run I suppose.

But range yes, I'd agree, although if we talking about Percentages, jordan always excelled

Reply 453

alexsong

Original post by S-man10

It would be a bad argument to make since athletically Jordan was better than anyone in his time and is still better than many players now days

Jordan's athleticism has precisely nothing to do with it, it would be about how athletic the average nba player was back then compared to now

Reply 454

S-man10

Original post by alexsong

Jordan's athleticism has precisely nothing to do with it, it would be about how athletic the average nba player was back then compared to now

How would it make a difference?

Reply 455

alexsong

Original post by S-man10

How would it make a difference?

The better quality of athlete you are facing the harder it is to score in theory, especially for someone like Kobe who doesn't stand out as a particularly dominant athlete in the league compared to some. As I said it isn't an argument I would personsonally make because it's blasphemous to MJ the god but there's probably some shreds of truth in there

Reply 456

HarryJames

Original post by S-man10

But you said Jordan is miles better then kobe in every aspect, I was mentioning one area that Kobe is stronger in. Of course there are still better shooters than Kobe but Kobe's a better shooter than MJ

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Reply 457

S-man10

Original post by HarryJames

I'm not going to dispute that. Jordan wasn't all that from long range because he knew he could get to the paint. The purpose of shooting is to score and scoring wise Jordan exceeded.

Original post by alexsong

It is a pretty shoddy argument. Mainly because relative athleticism is hard to measure, and Jordan would have still succeeded in being more athletic than anyone today.

Reply 458

HarryJames

Original post by S-man10

I'm not going to dispute that. Jordan wasn't all that from long range because he knew he could get to the paint. The purpose of shooting is to score and scoring wise Jordan exceeded.

But it's still a factor in their all round ability. I'm not denying michael could score better but in that one area of offensive ability kobe is better.

Realistically the argument has to be between Michael and LeBron

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