Full scale censorship enforced.. In Britain

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Or the fact that they were only selling 1-2 copies every day, and the shelf space should be used for something they could cover their costs on :smile:

That wouldn't constitute a ban though. I think it is unlikely that they would only shift a couple of copies of one of the most popular newspapers in Britain, even to students (I'm sure there are plenty who would read The Sun).

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Cannotbelieveit

Urgh, Student Unions. What do expect from these hubs of left extremism.

Reply 22

The_Duck

Why should a union be selling a paper made for those with the reading age of children?

Reply 23

the mezzil

Original post by ChemistBoy

The democratically elected SU executive officers have the right to decide what they do and do not sell in the SU shop under their remit, just as an private enterprise has such a right. As pointed out above there is no suggestion of a ban on having The Sun on SU premises and so this can't be seen as censorship.

However, I would have expected such an action to have been mandated by either:

a) A particular officer campaigning with a manifesto pledge to do this, or:
b) Some form of consultation of the student body (e.g. a referendum or similar).

There are lots and lots of newsagents in Manchester so it really isn't a big deal.

The people who made the decision were not elected.

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Pastaferian

Original post by the mezzil

The people who made the decision were not elected.

When something becomes uneconomic to sell, any prudent outlet will give it the axe. The sales figures were quoted earlier in the thread, so it seems that the people who made the decision were the student body as a whole, by ignoring it in the first place. You can't argue with democracy on that scale (but I'm sure you'll try).

Reply 25

fallen_acorns

Original post by the mezzil

The people who made the decision were not elected.

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is manchester student union, not run by an elected body of students/student council?

seems odd.. most student unions are..

Reply 26

the mezzil

Original post by Pastaferian

59 % of students are against the ban, something like 80 % were against the union even discussing the matter. You still want to bring democracy into the debate?

And you still having given me a valid reason for censorship. They did not ban The Sun because of an economic motive.

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Reply 27

the mezzil

Original post by fallen_acorns

is manchester student union, not run by an elected body of students/student council?

seems odd.. most student unions are..

yes, read the mancunion paper, it points out that they were randomly selected students.

"The motion to boycott the newspaper, coming on the heels of the ‘No More Page 3’ campaign, was voted on by a panel of twenty randomly selected students on Wednesday October 2."

Read the comments section.

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Reply 28

fallen_acorns

Original post by the mezzil

That seems like a very odd way of running a student union...

Ive attended union meetings in a number of universities, and motions such as this, have always been voted on by a council/board/group of elected student representatives from all parts of the university..

- the only way it makes sense, is if this elected group of students, decided the best way to make a decision was to ask 20 random students? which seems wierd..

Or the union did it without consulting its elected student contingent.. which also seems wierd..

Reply 29

rmhumphries

As many others have pointed out, it isn't censorship, as they are not preventing you owning a copy of the sun. If you really want to read it, walk to the other side of the road to Sainsburys, and buy it there.

Reply 30

the mezzil

Original post by fallen_acorns

They were not elected, read the top comment here, and the whole story.

http://mancunion.com/2013/10/04/students-union-boycott-the-sun/

Reply 31

donutaud15

I find that some student unions are just power hungry control freaks.

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Ggmu!

Original post by donutaud15

I find that some student unions are just power hungry control freaks.

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Lefty control freaks. Can't sell the Sun, but fine to get your students liquored up :rolleyes:

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Reply 33

donutaud15

Original post by Ggmu!

Lefty control freaks. Can't sell the Sun, but fine to get your students liquored up :rolleyes:

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yes and a certain song banned because *some* people found it offensive.

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Reply 34

the mezzil

Original post by donutaud15

yes and a certain song banned because *some* people found it offensive.

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And we pay these guys £17 000 a year.

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Ggmu!

Original post by donutaud15

yes and a certain song banned because *some* people found it offensive.

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Hilarious how they operate.

MOLLY ALL IN HER CHAMPAGNE AND SHE AINT EVEN KNO IT

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Reply 36

donutaud15

Original post by the mezzil

And we pay these guys £17 000 a year.

exactly what I said when I spoke up about it in my union.

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Reply 37

the mezzil

Original post by donutaud15

exactly what I said when I spoke up about it in my union.

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I asked them if we could hold a protest against the union once, didn't really go down to well.

Reply 38

donutaud15

Original post by the mezzil

I asked them if we could hold a protest against the union once, didn't really go down to well.

they are incredibly bias.

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Reply 39

fallen_acorns

Original post by the mezzil

They were not elected, read the top comment here, and the whole story.

http://mancunion.com/2013/10/04/students-union-boycott-the-sun/

oh ok.. so from reading the comments, I think I see how it works now..

you have your elected representatives, or the exec, as you call them..

And then they put forward a motion, and its voted on by a panal of randomly selected students..

Hmm, so in that case, there would be a few things to consider:

1 - this system of deciding things, was voted on by the mass student body, and a majority decided it was how they wanted it.. you cant then bitch about the ramifications of a wierd decision making system, if its what you wanted..

2 - anyone could have gone to the meeting, and spoken/joined the debate.. one of the comentors mentions that most of the best/pursuasive arguements were given by the exec, in favour of the ban.. and very few people spoke against it.. - so maybe if students cared that much, they should have shown up and spoke out at the meeting?

3 - you do have elected memembers, who are the ones to talk to about this.. but it seems that they are in favour (as a group) of this, and were key in pushing it through, and pursuading the randomly selected panal..