if someone tells you they support israel, what is your immediate reaction

They aren't directly responsible for mass murder. Look at any operations, e.g operation cast lead, the israeli's carried out, were in response to rocket attacks from palestine. As a sovereign nation, israel has the right to defend itself.

that is an awful argument. The intent is still there. It's like 2 people trying to kill you, but one is more successful than the other. and palestine is always the aggressor

I find it strange that no other Arab states are helping their Palestinian brothers and sisters. I certainly do not doubt that if Palestine was in the position of Israel, there would be a lot more dead Jews than there are dead Palestinians currently. I kind of understand the way Israel thinks. They don't want to take the risk of losing their small piece of Earth where they won't be discriminated against. At the same time, killing helpless civilians is NEVER right or justified. Especially since Israeli anti missile defences are so good, Palestine can barely hurt Israel there is little need to launch missiles on Palestine.

Israel have been rather insensitive.

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Well they tried, to a degree, in the 60's remember the Six-Day War? I agree killing innocent civilians is wrong, especially children but like I said the terrorists who choose to launch missiles from schools and hospitals are partially responsible.

I think a big part of why the launch missiles back is to deter future attacks and to try and destroy the launch sites. I think Israel get criticised too much by young left wing liberals in western countries


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I find it scary you think it's ok for a government to knowingly target schools and hospitals.

Who's the real aggressor?

I don't recall Palestinians building walls round Israel settlements, nor do i recall them forcing Israeli's off their lands to build new homes. I also don't recall them preventing Israelis from going to town to town, nor do I recall them severely restricting the movements of Israeli citizens.

You wonder why they don't like you?

I never said I find it okay? I said the terrorists who use those should be blamed as well. If you look at it in the sense of the proximate cause then they would theoretical have to take more blame than the Israeli's


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There's terrorists on both sides, problem is one turns up to the fight with a pocket knife, the other with a cruise missile and multi million PR campaign team. When you understand the history and see what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians you will see things a lot differently.

Start with some pictures.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread594970/pg1

can you explain this generalised, offensive statement?

If there terrorists had more than "pocket knives" as you put it ( in fact they fire rockets into israel indiscriminately and thanks to israels dome shield defence system manages to destroy many of the rockets) it still doesnt change the fact they intend to destroy israel and kill people. I dont need pictures, i can show you plenty of pictures of messed up bodies from car crashes or from alcohol poisoning or whatever, dont try and play the emotive card. I do understand the history, probably a lot more than you, given i was once a supporter of palestine, ive read many books on the subject and showing me a few pictures of mutilated children is pathetic.( im presuming thats what it is, i havent bothered to look.)
and forgive me if im wrong, im pretty sure israel just released many palestinian terrorists from jail in order to pursue peace talks?

and forgive me if im wrong, im pretty sure israel just released many palestinian terrorists from jail in order to pursue peace talks?

Probably the ones who they arrested whilst they were on their way to work. Maybe instead of releasing people from jail, they should start by pulling down the walls that surround Palestinian settlements? Stop restricting movement? Stop removing Palestinians from land to build homes for Jews? Treat Palestinians as people? as equals? Stop knowingly firing missiles at schools and hospitals?

Would that not be better? Hate breeds hate and Israel is breeding rather large amounts of it.

Probably the ones who they arrested whilst they were on their way to work. Maybe instead of releasing people from jail, they should start by pulling down the walls that surround Palestinian settlements? Stop restricting movement? Stop removing Palestinians from land to build homes for Jews? Treat Palestinians as people? as equals? Stop knowingly firing missiles at schools and hospitals?

Would that not be better? Hate breeds hate and Israel is breeding rather large amounts of it.

Probably the ones who they arrested whilst they were on their way to work. Maybe instead of releasing people from jail, they should start by pulling down the walls that surround Palestinian settlements? Stop restricting movement? Stop removing Palestinians from land to build homes for Jews? Treat Palestinians as people? as equals? Stop knowingly firing missiles at schools and hospitals? Would that not be better? Hate breeds hate and Israel is breeding rather large amounts of it.

They aren't directly responsible for mass murder. Look at any operations, e.g operation cast lead, the israeli's carried out, were in response to rocket attacks from palestine. As a sovereign nation, israel has the right to defend itself.

you're too ignorant. I've stated many times israel only retaliates, it is never the aggressor. As a sovereign nation it has the right to defend itself. And as you say treat palestinians as equals, well they are two different countries. If you refer palestinians as arabs, then yes, arabs have equal rights in israel and can vote etc. Look at how the border arab countries treated the palestinian refugees when they were displaced, they treated them poorly and gave them no recognition or citizenship. People hate on israel because its cool. The middle east would be a bigger hell-hole than it is today without israel. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east, the only one that actually has lgbt rights etc.