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Original post by los lobos marinos
Sorry but I don't agree with this thinking. My view is that because the ruling elite typically have a monopoly on the power and wealth in both capitalist and socialist states they will continue to exploit the working classes, the weak and the vulnerable in society in order to maintain the status quo. It's not in their interests to let anything change as they don't want to lose their grip on their power and wealth. Capitalists and socialists have much in common in my opinion (more than they want to admit). I personally consider them to be very similar in that neither seek to redistribute wealth or strive for equality amongst their populations. Only a pure and uncorrupted Marxist ideology can do that 
Man, you're being ridiculous if you think that the NHS is in anyway capitalism. The rest of your post, well that's your opinion, personally I ****ing love capitalism.
(proper capitalism that is)Original post by Watch Key Phone
I just checked and I can see all the latest posts when I'm signed in and signed out. 
Thanks for the feedback. It works on my netbook but on my desktop I can't see anything after post #8520. Even though it says people have posted.
Original post by Sabertooth
Man, you're being ridiculous if you think that the NHS is in anyway capitalism. The rest of your post, well that's your opinion, personally I ****ing love capitalism. (proper capitalism that is)
(proper capitalism that is)
And I celebrate and rejoice in my diversity each and every day (he types, whilst also trying to convince himself). Sometime he also reflects on the fact his 'madness' might also be something to value and cherish as it gives him so much potential in the personal development department. The thought makes him smile and then gently chuckle. (It really did and does!) 
Back to the discussion:
The NHS have been introducing more and more business models more typically associated with the corporate sector over the last 20-30 years. Every expense has to have some side of cost impact analysis. If there is not enough demand then it won't be provided. If there is no way to prove effectiveness of a treatment within the political electoral cycle then it won't be funded. That is why some people, who have quite profound psychological needs are unable to get the services they require from the NHS.
Change of subject:
How are you today? Did you go see the psychiatrist with your mrs?
(edited 10 years ago)
Original post by los lobos marinos
I do admit that I lean slightly to the left And I celebrate and rejoice in my diversity each and every day (he types, whilst also trying to convince himself). Sometime he also reflects on the fact his 'madness' might also be something to value and cherish as it gives him so much potential in the personal development department. The thought makes him smile and then gently chuckle. (It really did!)
Back to the discussion:
The NHS have been introducing more and more business models more typically associated with the corporate sector over the last 20-30 years. Every expense has to have some side of cost impact analysis. If there is not enough demand then it won't be provided. If there is no way to prove effectiveness of a treatment within the political electoral cycle then it won't be funded. That is why some people, who have quite profound psychological needs are unable to get the services they require from the NHS.
Change of subject:
How are you today? Did you go see the psychiatrist with your mrs?
And I celebrate and rejoice in my diversity each and every day (he types, whilst also trying to convince himself). Sometime he also reflects on the fact his 'madness' might also be something to value and cherish as it gives him so much potential in the personal development department. The thought makes him smile and then gently chuckle. (It really did!)Back to the discussion:
The NHS have been introducing more and more business models more typically associated with the corporate sector over the last 20-30 years. Every expense has to have some side of cost impact analysis. If there is not enough demand then it won't be provided. If there is no way to prove effectiveness of a treatment within the political electoral cycle then it won't be funded. That is why some people, who have quite profound psychological needs are unable to get the services they require from the NHS.
Change of subject:
How are you today? Did you go see the psychiatrist with your mrs?
I'm not so sure I agree with your conclusions in your first paragraph, although I do think that's a pretty positive way of viewing things.
Well, that's the problem. The NHS isn't based on individuals. Here if I want an MRI scan I just phone up and book one. If I want surgery for a very rare cancer I pay for it and I can have it no matter how uncost-effective or how small the demand. The NHS cannot compete with that because no matter how hard it tries the money isn't there and the money that is there must be spent on providing to a number of people rather than what's best for an individual. That's why there's those stories about people in the UK saving up and coming to the US for treatment for their very rare conditions. I know the NHS has been introducing elements of the private sector into it but it's still absolutely nothing like the system here. In my opinion the whole thing should be massively scaled back and only provided for the very poorest.
To use myself as an example, when I lived in England if I wanted to see a psychiatrist first I had to get referred, wait ages, then assessed to make sure I was "bad" enough, then finally after a several month wait I could see one and even then appointments were hard to come by and psychological therapy totally non-existent. Compare that to here, I call up and ask to see a psychiatrist, I get an appointment, I pay, I see one. If that psychiatrist is a moron or busy I call a different one and see them. That's the beauty of capitalism, if I don't like someone for whatever reason I take my money elsewhere and in pretty much every single scenario someone will be willing to provide me the service I want and take my money. That's totally different to how the NHS works. And before you say it, I know the US system is far from perfect, there are a lot of problems with it but I still prefer it to the NHS.
Anyway, we probably shouldn't be dereailing the thread in this way, especially as a lot of people here and going to gang up on me
Just wait until Rory sees! Today, I'm stuck in my wife's office again while she's teaching a class because she doesn't trust me on my own at home.
Seeing the psychiatrist tomorrow and absolutely **** scared about it if I'm honest. How are you? Did you get to sleep in the end last night?(edited 10 years ago)
Original post by bullettheory
I can't believe that the said no - like others have said, it sounds like you have really been struggling recently, and for them to say that, it's ridiculous. But regardless of what they say - you are not a fraud at all. You wouldn't make anything up, why would anyone want to fake mental illness? You aren't a fraud cus you haven't made anything up. I know it's hard to take in atm, but it doesn't mean you are fake at all.
I can't believe that the said no - like others have said, it sounds like you have really been struggling recently, and for them to say that, it's ridiculous. But regardless of what they say - you are not a fraud at all. You wouldn't make anything up, why would anyone want to fake mental illness? You aren't a fraud cus you haven't made anything up. I know it's hard to take in atm, but it doesn't mean you are fake at all.Original post by Noodlzzz
Why would they say that? It seems you've been really struggling and you deserve their help! You should complain.
Original post by ParadoxSocks
You are not a fraud. At all. I cannot believe that even happened to you and I'm sorry that they made you feel like that. It's a stupid system that doesn't help us when we actually need it.
Surely "not severe enough" encourages us to escalate our behaviours until we're able to get help. We want help before we get too bad, not after. Ugh. I hope you manage to find an alternative.
My baby sister was rejected for therapy when she was an absolute mess and her life was falling apart because she wasn't "severe enough" and I just can't understand a system that doesn't support those that reach out and desperately ask for help.
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Surely "not severe enough" encourages us to escalate our behaviours until we're able to get help. We want help before we get too bad, not after. Ugh. I hope you manage to find an alternative.
My baby sister was rejected for therapy when she was an absolute mess and her life was falling apart because she wasn't "severe enough" and I just can't understand a system that doesn't support those that reach out and desperately ask for help.
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Original post by Nathanielle
Now, you are not a fraud and that's why: Doctors or other mental health personal are there for us to diagnose us and treat us. Our task is only to go to them, if we worry. So you are not a fraud to get there,
to get tested and then referred to the right treatment. You would not call you a fraud, if you'd go there for physical reasons and later it turns out the original diagnosis and treatment would not be the right one, or? They just said "not severe enough", not "simulating". That is a huge difference. In addition doctors are not allmighty and not all equally gifted/experienced, thus it is human. (Of course some things are just illogic.)
Yeah, don't worry and then, if you proove you were right, then suddenly: severly ill. Great way to solve problems.
Same with society ...
to get tested and then referred to the right treatment. You would not call you a fraud, if you'd go there for physical reasons and later it turns out the original diagnosis and treatment would not be the right one, or? They just said "not severe enough", not "simulating". That is a huge difference. In addition doctors are not allmighty and not all equally gifted/experienced, thus it is human. (Of course some things are just illogic.)
Yeah, don't worry and then, if you proove you were right, then suddenly: severly ill. Great way to solve problems.
Same with society ...Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd
What?! Like, seriously?!?! The ****ers. I thought you got DLA?! No way you can get that without being severe for MH problems.
You're not a fraud at all. I seriously think that when the crying is over, you should put in a complaint about these ****wits
What?! Like, seriously?!?! The ****ers. I thought you got DLA?! No way you can get that without being severe for MH problems.
You're not a fraud at all. I seriously think that when the crying is over, you should put in a complaint about these ****wits
Original post by gemmanewman
Not severe enough? They shouldn't have said that to you 
Any form of depression in my eyes is severe and should be helped. But I guess that treatment wasn't for you.
But please, don't cry.
There's other forms of treatment and I'm always here for a chat if you feel you can talk to me.
Treatment doesn't always work for me either, no matter how much it works for other people.
Any form of depression in my eyes is severe and should be helped. But I guess that treatment wasn't for you. But please, don't cry.
There's other forms of treatment and I'm always here for a chat if you feel you can talk to me.
Treatment doesn't always work for me either, no matter how much it works for other people.
Thanks for your support
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Sorry to moan so much - how are you guys doing?
Original post by ParadoxSocks
You shouldn't be ashamed of yourself
If you want to, and are able to in the future, you can try giving up again, but if you not able to now, you shouldn't be ashamed of yourself!
Original post by rmhumphries
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Ah I could do with someone to talk to right now but where the hell do I start 
I feel like I burden people too much with my **** - both from here and IRL :/
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Original post by -FireFlies-
Ah I could do with someone to talk to right now but where the hell do I start I feel like I burden people too much with my **** - both from here and IRL :/
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You can PM me if you want.
I've spend all day locked in my room avoiding the rest of the world. I am not in a good mood.
My flat mate? She's running along the hall giggling and knocking on my door.
On the plus side, no lectures tomorrow and my parents are coming up. Even better they are going to pick my bf up when they're here so we can see each other.
Until then though I have noting to do but sit in my room playing farmville and listening to my drunk flatmate dreading what will happen if I continue to miss lectures cos I feel too ill or depressed to drag my sorry ass out of bed.
I have 3 problems with going to bed:
1) not tired cos I spent so long in bed today
2) we're having a fire drill some time soon really early in the morning and I don't want to have to wake up and leave my room to stand outside I a crowd of annoyed students
3) I've started having nightmares related to a massive fear of mine and each time I have one it feels like it's dragging me a bit closer to the crazy depressive mess I was a year ago.
I'm starting to think about it in the daytime again now and that can't be a good thing.
My flat mate? She's running along the hall giggling and knocking on my door.
On the plus side, no lectures tomorrow and my parents are coming up. Even better they are going to pick my bf up when they're here so we can see each other.
Until then though I have noting to do but sit in my room playing farmville and listening to my drunk flatmate dreading what will happen if I continue to miss lectures cos I feel too ill or depressed to drag my sorry ass out of bed.
I have 3 problems with going to bed:
1) not tired cos I spent so long in bed today
2) we're having a fire drill some time soon really early in the morning and I don't want to have to wake up and leave my room to stand outside I a crowd of annoyed students
3) I've started having nightmares related to a massive fear of mine and each time I have one it feels like it's dragging me a bit closer to the crazy depressive mess I was a year ago.
I'm starting to think about it in the daytime again now and that can't be a good thing.
Original post by -FireFlies-
Ah I could do with someone to talk to right now but where the hell do I start I feel like I burden people too much with my **** - both from here and IRL :/
I feel like I burden people too much with my **** - both from here and IRL :/ 
Feel so so **** tonight. Im a horrible person and so want to do bad things
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Original post by Kindred
I've spend all day locked in my room avoiding the rest of the world. I am not in a good mood.
My flat mate? She's running along the hall giggling and knocking on my door.
On the plus side, no lectures tomorrow and my parents are coming up. Even better they are going to pick my bf up when they're here so we can see each other.
Until then though I have noting to do but sit in my room playing farmville and listening to my drunk flatmate dreading what will happen if I continue to miss lectures cos I feel too ill or depressed to drag my sorry ass out of bed.
I have 3 problems with going to bed:
1) not tired cos I spent so long in bed today
2) we're having a fire drill some time soon really early in the morning and I don't want to have to wake up and leave my room to stand outside I a crowd of annoyed students
3) I've started having nightmares related to a massive fear of mine and each time I have one it feels like it's dragging me a bit closer to the crazy depressive mess I was a year ago.
I'm starting to think about it in the daytime again now and that can't be a good thing.
My flat mate? She's running along the hall giggling and knocking on my door.
On the plus side, no lectures tomorrow and my parents are coming up. Even better they are going to pick my bf up when they're here so we can see each other.
Until then though I have noting to do but sit in my room playing farmville and listening to my drunk flatmate dreading what will happen if I continue to miss lectures cos I feel too ill or depressed to drag my sorry ass out of bed.
I have 3 problems with going to bed:
1) not tired cos I spent so long in bed today
2) we're having a fire drill some time soon really early in the morning and I don't want to have to wake up and leave my room to stand outside I a crowd of annoyed students
3) I've started having nightmares related to a massive fear of mine and each time I have one it feels like it's dragging me a bit closer to the crazy depressive mess I was a year ago.
I'm starting to think about it in the daytime again now and that can't be a good thing.
Can you e-mail your lecturers, saying that due health problems, you haven't been able to attend a few lecturers, and can they provide more detailed notes for the lectures you missed?
Original post by PonchoKid
You are not a horrible person
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Original post by rmhumphries
Can you e-mail your lecturers, saying that due health problems, you haven't been able to attend a few lecturers, and can they provide more detailed notes for the lectures you missed?
I am planning to but I can't bring myself to cos i'm too nervous about wording it badly or making a bad impression.
Original post by rmhumphries
Can you e-mail your lecturers, saying that due health problems, you haven't been able to attend a few lecturers, and can they provide more detailed notes for the lectures you missed?
You are not a horrible person
You are not a horrible person
Oh i am
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Original post by rmhumphries
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Have you got a solicitor to help with your challenge against the DWP and the CMHT decisions? It really helped me get the full access to the services and support to which I am legally entitled.
If you haven't, then consider the following:
When I received all the substantial evidence the state had against me (massive pile of papers) I went to the library to confirm if they had acted lawfully (from my interpretation of the legislation). I then typed a lengthy witness statement, directly referencing the law and in some cases quoting the applicable legislation, guidance and codes. Every time I found evidence that they acted incorrectly I presented the appropriate legal argument. It ended up over 20 pages long if memory serves me right. I then delivered my statement to the solicitor and it was used, in it's entirety to support my case and it ensures all the little things that add up to make life so difficult are seen by the judge who is then, obligated to pay due regard to it. It also meant that when it came to the case being heard, those thing that me cry, paranoid, anxious and cause distress are already known and out in the open. Less painful. The judge was very sensitive and tactful though.
It really helped me. It may help you too.
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Original post by Kindred
I am planning to but I can't bring myself to cos i'm too nervous about wording it badly or making a bad impression.
Just send something like this:
Good {Morning/Afternoon/Evening},
I am sorry, but I have missed a few of your lectures due to some on-going health problems. {I am happy to supply evidence to the school office of these problems if needed.(Add this if you have a note from your GP or similar which you can provide}
Would it please be possible to get some detailed notes for lectures {n,m,o}?
Thanks in advance for your help,
{name}
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Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd
Yay for no hospital
Tiz getting colder and colder in London. Time to start wearing my new fluffy penguin head hat
Tiz getting colder and colder in London. Time to start wearing my new fluffy penguin head hat
Definitely getting colder, first noticed it yesterday afternoon
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Been back home since yesterday evening, earlier I was reminded of why moving out was important for me
. But apart from that I've been feeling ok, really wanted to go back but I didn't, definitely will go tomorrowOriginal post by rmhumphries
Just send something like this:
Thanks!! I may use that.
Think i'll leave it till tomorrow when i'm hopefully feeling a tad more up to it though.Original post by Kindred
Thanks!! I may use that. Think i'll leave it till tomorrow when i'm hopefully feeling a tad more up to it though.
Think i'll leave it till tomorrow when i'm hopefully feeling a tad more up to it though.It is the basic e-mail I used when I needed some extra help from lecturers - as long as you have some medical evidence you will be fine.
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