Is so much easier for a man to have an attractive body..

I personally think this is an erroneous view.

Men are obliged to have a lower body fat percentage to look "acceptable". In every fable, tome and story, the perfect male form is powerful, structured, sculpted with a chisel-like detail to his features.

Having experienced both ends of the spectrum, both overweight and fatally underweight, I can state that this is not achievable for some men genetically. I am now nine and a half stones, and have been as low as six and a half stones (through a terrifyingly gripping mental disorder). Though I continuously exercised, I was not able to "sculpt" myself as some men can. This is simply a genetic ideal.

Remember that up until this century the "ideal" frame for a woman was voluptuous, curved and stocky, to indicate they were fertile and energetic. It's only through a very strict mental conditioning nowadays that women seem to believe they should be a size 10; this is literally only 80-90 years old as a tenet and birthed through propaganda and media pressure.

Humans have been in existence for a significant amount of time now, and in all diagrams the males are depicted as incredibly fatless, sculpted muscular statuesque hunters, whilst the women is depicted as an hourglass, beautiful symbol of fertility.

I would say that nowadays, the burden is equal, but not in a good way. Especially not given the circumstances of real life. Men do not have to spear boars any longer; rather their hunter instinct is to shepherd formulae into excel spreadsheets in their office jobs. To expect they'd have a hunter's physique from this level of exertion is pretty much insanity. The only reason a male would appear this way is through the artificial change of his body type (ie, over-exerting at the gym). In the same breath, this notion a woman should be skinny is COMPLETELY counter-productive to who she is as a person, an organism; a WOMAN - the entire point of being a woman is to be an emotional, caring, nurturing individual with the ability to bear another human with all the love and nourishment her body can handle.

Is that your view of what a woman is or are you just saying how women are seen because that description of a woman is bullcrap. You seem to have adjusted your description of a male to a more accurate/real one but have left women in the past lol. (sorry if Ive mistaken wht you've said).

All that emotional, caring stuff is nothing more than a gender label.. based on women in the past from a restricted society. In reality men can be more or less as emotional and caring as women and more and more women are turning to sports/weightlifting etc (activities which were once considered male only).

Both skinny women and large women can bring up a baby so I dont think that being skinny is counterproductive. Look at female athletes, you certainly don't need excess fat to give birth or feed a child.

Id be ashamed to think that my whole point of being is to be emotional and caring. Id much rather have the historical male role and go out to hunt/fight lol.

I can see your point about the burden of attractiveness being equal for both.

I think we've discovered the reason why you created this thread. You're envious of males. You wish you were a male. You don't like the stereotypical roles and looks of a female, so you lift heavy weights and cut your hair short. You should get a sex change. It's the only way to solve this.

lol you like to think Im envious so you jump to wrong conclusions more like. Im fine with being female and I like to be fit/lift weights and be physically active like tons of other females. Im also not that emotional neither are plenty of females.

There are also tons of males who hate working out and are very emotional/caring (I know as they were on my nursing course lol) so why would I want to be a male when these days 99 percent of activities are not gender specific? Gender stereotypes have almost faded these days that was my point.

Is that your view of what a woman is or are you just saying how women are seen because that description of a woman is bullcrap. You seem to have adjusted your description of a male to a more accurate/real one but have left women in the past lol. (sorry if Ive mistaken wht you've said).

All that emotional, caring stuff is nothing more than a gender label.. based on women in the past from a restricted society. In reality men can be more or less as emotional and caring as women and more and more women are turning to sports/weightlifting etc (activities which were once considered male only).

Both skinny women and large women can bring up a baby so I dont think that being skinny is counterproductive. Look at female athletes, you certainly don't need excess fat to give birth or feed a child.

Id be ashamed to think that my whole point of being is to be emotional and caring. Id much rather have the historical male role and go out to hunt/fight lol.

I can see your point about the burden of attractiveness being equal for both.

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One other point that you seem to have missed is that being skinny is actually associated with infertility. Athletes, ballet dancers and gymnasts are all known to have well above average difficulty with conception. Their periods often stop as their body weight and in particularly their body fat ratio drops too low. So much of the previous posts were correct...men were never 'designed' to sit in an office all day..and women certainly weren't designed to go the gym but hey this is the 21Century and you get to choose but don't be surprised when people still have desires around voluptuous females, etc...at a deeper level it is associated with fertility.

women certainly weren't designed to go the gym

Jesus, I do not agree with this...

OP, put some effort in.

The original post.. Ive already been persuaded that males have it just as hard from reading all the replies. Thats what I asked for opinions and different viewpoints and I got them.

For your average girl it would take 3/4 months to reach their desired flat toned stomach, thin legs etc

for guys it takes about 5 years to reach the level of muscular size they want from when they first start off.

Unless a women wants to look like a female body builder then her goals are not the same as a mans

My bad! What made you have that idea in the first place anyway?

well I told the story in another post basically it came from an experience. I was in the gym and there was this other woman working out with a large chest, she got chatted up by this dude who was glaring at her chest. Not that I wanted to be chatted up at the time but it made me think it must be easier being a guy...if you lift/workout put some effort in you gain muscle and voila. Then I thought if you are a female with no chest effort won't get you anywhere if one of the main sexual attractive features is the chest.

But its not as simple as this and people pointed out that females can rely on makeup, clothes etc which is true. Plus it was pointed out that not all guys have the genetics/body structure to get a great body despite putting in effort..im not sure about this one as I thought anyone could tone/put on muscle with effort but the men will know more than me about it.

Completely disagree. When a woman exercises to lower her body fat, especially if she is naturally curvy then she is working against nature to achieve this. There is no such thing as 'your average girl' as there are more variants of female body types than males; a woman with thick hips and thighs will find it extremely difficult to achieve slim legs and they will almost never be classed as thin whereas some women are more straight and naturally lean.

Ofcourse everyone is different as you say, so people have varying difficulties to 'look good'.

Your point about flat chested is bs, because if you like a girl enough and you're not a 16yr boy, that won't change anything.

Im not sure about working against nature Id say working against her usual urge to eat. I agree though I have thick thighs and with training (light weights/running) they certainly don't get slimmer if anything they tend to increase in size with what I only hope is muscle lol.