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Original post by Maths Tutor



So YOU are admitting that the current setting of monetary policy IGNORES THE NEEDS OF SCOTLAND AND THE NORTH OF ENGLAND?

Erm no.

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Original post by Quady
If I've made 5,000+ posts on independence then I've made more than every post on this thread. On UK politics perhaps.

Yes, its fun, its helping me get a better understanding of how people percieve politics and government and their workings.

I mean, I might lose my livihood over it, but other than that its fun.

What do you mean by 'the likes of me'? I'm guessing you don't think I'm a Scot unlike someone on another thread did.

Edit:
Also I've been here six years and you've been here two and a half.
Looking at your post history the 500+ you've done in UK Politics have been exclusively Scotland related, with the vast majority being about independence.



Original post by MatureStudent36
Why would I be asking Lamont, Rennie or Davidson about currency issues. It's the SNP that are running this national embarrassment.

the SNP can say what ever they lie. I'm worried about the down side of picking a currency without any monetary union. I.e I don't want to end up like Panama using the Dollar. I want to know who's backing the currency, not just having a pegged currency.

I understand that its a complex thing for you to get your head around. But saying we'll use one currency is completely different to being backed by one.



Original post by Maths Tutor
Why are YOU asking ANY QUESTIONS if YOU are 100% sure that there will be a NO vote?

The truth is that you are scared stiff in your British Nationalist underpants that there will be a YES vote.

There is no other LOGICAL or RATIONAL reason for someone who is 100% sure of a NO vote to be spending his/her waking life on this thread.


Original post by Quady
Surely likewise...?

I think you seem to overlook 'its fun'.

And I really would like to know from the Yes campaign how they think the transition will work.

What different options do people think Scots will have for their tax, benefits, education and transport policies? How much they will cost to and how long they would take to put into practice. All that jazz.



My comment was not addressed to YOU - you jumped onto it.

I am not comparing my posts to YOUR posts. Follow the trail to understand.

You can post whatever you like but unlike you, I don't think the matter of Scottish independence is a joke.
Original post by MatureStudent36
No. I'll think you'll find that the majority of Scots want an explaination from the SNP as to how they'll achieve some rather not insignificant problems.


But according to YOU, the majority of Scots (70%) are voting No.

They don't want any explanations from the SNP.

They want explanations from 'NO Scotland' as to what colour of jam they will get after a No vote - Red, Blue or Yellow?

Will there be ANY more powers for the Scottish parliament after a No vote?

Will existing powers be removed after a No vote?
Original post by MatureStudent36
It has many humorous facets to it. Having to deal with over emotional navel gazers who don't understand how the world works does get a but tedious. By demolishing poorly thought out assumptions by cyberNats can get a little tedious, educating others about the ways of the world is most certainly enjoyable.


"cyberNats" don't post here. You don't have the guts to debate with "cyberNats" on http://wingsoverscotland.com/. You are a coward like Cameron.
Original post by Maths Tutor



So YOU are admitting that the current setting of monetary policy IGNORES THE NEEDS OF SCOTLAND AND THE NORTH OF ENGLAND?

The Midlands and South West of England are culturally and economically distinct from the North and South East. Please stop ignoring that.

Also, try including Wales and NI in your rants against the union-they are after all as much a part of it as England and Scotland.


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Original post by Maths Tutor
But according to YOU, the majority of Scots (70%) are voting No.

They don't want any explanations from the SNP.

They want explanations from 'NO Scotland' as to what colour of jam they will get after a No vote - Red, Blue or Yellow?

Will there be ANY more powers for the Scottish parliament after a No vote?

Will existing powers be removed after a No vote?


Theres already more powers coming as you very well know. As you're also fully aware, Holyrood has failed to use its existing poweres so far.

The removal of powers seems to be some wierdo paranoid fear that only seems to exist in the minds of the cyberNat community.
Original post by Maths Tutor
"cyberNats" don't post here. You don't have the guts to debate with "cyberNats" on http://wingsoverscotland.com/. You are a coward like Cameron.


I've already said I don't post on there. They ban posters who aren't on message.

I'm still waiting for an answer as to how Westminster doesn't consider the economy outside the south east. What is it about the tax system and government spend is it that you feel hard Done by.
Original post by L i b
No, the MPC in the Bank of England does.


Original post by Maths Tutor


From the horse's mouth: Danny Alexander is scaremongering!

Has "the MPC in the Bank of England" said that "Scotland won't he allowed a currency.union.with the UK"?

Provide a link if it has.



Original post by L i b
You're genuinely simple. As anyone with a single grain of understanding in this area knows, entering a currency union is not within the remit of the Bank of England.


What IS the remit of the 'independent' Bank of England if it doesn't include currency stability?

Can you provide EVIDENCE as to whose remit it is to enter into a currency union WITHOUT THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND?

It is absolute nonsense to claim that sterling will be more stable if Scotland adopts a different currency.

The likes of Danny Alexander are scaremongering, pure and simple.

Despite YOUR numerous lies and propaganda, you have still not clarified how on earth rUK could negotiate Scotland's entry into the EU after a YES vote on 18th September 2014. Provide some evidence if YOU have any credibility.
Original post by L i b
The UK spent its oil wealth on public services and infrastructure, which laid the foundations for the modern British economy - not to mention keeping taxes lower and encouraging growth. It has served us well.


Yes, it has served YOU in the south of England well.
Original post by Maths Tutor
Yes, it has served YOU in the south of England well.


I think your xenophobic outlook on life blinds you sometimes.

The SE England is the only part of the UK that actually runs a surplus. Quite a significant surplus and that's without oil.

You seem to be angry with the people of south easy England without having a giant the real culprits. The people of the north of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

so once again can you explain to us how westminsters economic policy disadvantages us.
Original post by L i b
Alex Salmond has a masters in economics and history. While he was gaining that - and immediately after - he was a member of a republican socialist organisation so extreme in its left-wing inclinations that its members were expelled from the SNP. Frankly, I don't accept the idea that having a joint degree in economics is any indicator of prudent fiscal management.

The SNP are fiscally irresponsible, populist-driven deficit deniers who would run this country back to the 1970s. Even the Labour Party aren't as bad as them.


Has the SNP had any Budget Deficits in its 6 years in power in Scotland?

How much of the ONE TRILLION POUNDS PLUS UK NATIONAL DEBT has been created by the SNP?

You would prefer Johann 'something for nothing' Lamont to be First Minister of Scotland instead of Alex Salmond?
Original post by Maths Tutor



So YOU are admitting that the current setting of monetary policy IGNORES THE NEEDS OF SCOTLAND AND THE NORTH OF ENGLAND?



Original post by Aj12
Erm no.




But you don't have the guts or honesty to give a direct answer?

Put it in black and white if you do.
Original post by Maths Tutor
"cyberNats" don't post here. You don't have the guts to debate with "cyberNats" on http://wingsoverscotland.com/. You are a coward like Cameron.



Original post by MatureStudent36
I've already said I don't post on there. They ban posters who aren't on message.



You don't post there because you are a coward like Cameron and are in no position to debate with "cyberNats".

They DON'T ban posters unless the posters keep on repeating the same nonsense over and over again.
Original post by Maths Tutor
You don't post there because you are a coward like Cameron and are in no position to debate with "cyberNats".

They DON'T ban posters unless the posters keep on repeating the same nonsense over and over again.


I can't be bothered.

So how is the UKs economic policy disadvantageous to the north of England and Scotland?
Reply 4154
Original post by Maths Tutor
Has the SNP had any Budget Deficits in its 6 years in power in Scotland?

How much of the ONE TRILLION POUNDS PLUS UK NATIONAL DEBT has been created by the SNP?

You would prefer Johann 'something for nothing' Lamont to be First Minister of Scotland instead of Alex Salmond?


I would, actually. She's the lesser of two evils. I'd rather have virtually anyone in the Holyrood chamber as FM instead of Nicola Sturgeon too!

The SNP cannot run a budget deficit by law, but their expenditure is responsible for the UK budget deficit. They've always supported more and more spending. They have no sense of fiscal responsibility.

Original post by Maths Tutor
Yes, it has served YOU in the south of England well.


I live in Edinburgh, you daft old bigot.
Reply 4155
Original post by Choo.choo
Why should we try to figure the job out ourselves?
Why do you expect to see detailed step by step instructions on how to set up an independent country?


Because you said it would take less than 15 years from the vote. And although you didn't challenge it will cost a pretty penny, by saying the Scottish deficit won't increase you'll need substantial tax rises to pay for the new infrastructure of the state..
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Reply 4156
Original post by Maths Tutor
My comment was not addressed to YOU - you jumped onto it.

I am not comparing my posts to YOUR posts. Follow the trail to understand.

You can post whatever you like but unlike you, I don't think the matter of Scottish independence is a joke.


Joke and fun mean different things you know. I find hill walking fun, never find it funny though.

But it is fun that Yes campaigners say Scotland will be better off and seem to just assume the transition will be cost free. Then again, who knows I might make a few bucks out it so perhaps I shouldn't be pointing this out :smile:
Reply 4157
Original post by Maths Tutor
But you don't have the guts or honesty to give a direct answer?

Put it in black and white if you do.


I don't really understand the point you are trying to make here. My answer is obvious if you cannot work it out then that's your issue not mine.
Original post by Quady
Because you said it would take less than 15 years from the vote. And although you didn't challenge it will cost a pretty penny, by saying the Scottish deficit won't increase you'll need substantial tax rises to pay for the new infrastructure of the state..


15 years? Eh, I don't think so.
We inherit the existing system and then we modify it to our requirements. Don't see any reason why it would be expensive and don't see why we can't make the changes we want relatively quickly. Everything required to run Scotland is already in place, somewhere in the UK. Nothing in terms of social security, etc, is starting from scratch.

But, the jobs that are currently undertaken in London or elsewhere will be moved to Scotland. We might see an increase in 5000 jobs to run the Independent civil service. It's cost-free because we were already paying for these jobs through taxation but many of them would be located elsewhere. It's win, win.
Reply 4159
Original post by Choo.choo
15 years? Eh, I don't think so.
We inherit the existing system and then we modify it to our requirements. Don't see any reason why it would be expensive and don't see why we can't make the changes we want relatively quickly. Everything required to run Scotland is already in place, somewhere in the UK. Nothing in terms of social security, etc, is starting from scratch.

But, the jobs that are currently undertaken in London or elsewhere will be moved to Scotland. We might see an increase in 5000 jobs to run the Independent civil service. It's cost-free because we were already paying for these jobs through taxation but many of them would be located elsewhere. It's win, win.


Ahhhh right, easy!

Apart from the the Scottish Govt doesn't have either the capability or commercial arrangements to make changes to any of those systems (some written in the early 80s). Even if it did it will find it tricky/impossible to find hardware to run them. You'll need those contracts/servers before making changes anyway.

IDS has so far thrown £425m at Universal Credit and still doesn't have a system built on the complexity of the existing systems. I forget how much was thrown at ID cards which was built on top of existing systems but it wasn't 'low'.

Preceeding this as you suggest there will need to be a wide scale recruitment to start forming the required contracts/transition. 5,000 is low I would have thought 20-30,000. The UK Deptartment for International Development is 2,700 people, which is small but just scratches the surface of new stuff thats needed. A version of DVLA (5,600 employees) would need setting up, policy, corporate services and management tiers the Scottish versions of HMRC and DWP (around 5,000 each), naturally Scottish versions would be smaller when running normally, but during transition are likely to be larger.

And the time to decde the changes (how much will a Scottish passport be? What will be the tax on a bottle of whisky ect) will take 4-5 years to work up. Rates of things would be easy to change when the systems are up, but introducing new things will take time and decent amounts of cash - for example reassessing disabled people in a non-ATOS way.

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