62% of women have rape fantasies?!! ladies , care to explain?

The difference between rape fantasies and actual rape is that the woman is completely in control when fantasizing about rape.

It's not actually rape because she chose to fantasize about it, it's pseudo-rape

Hmmm so what would you think if 62% of males had thoughts about child rape but it was purely a fantasy ...

Just for curiosities sake did you enjoy it?

My partner likes being forced but she always knows that if she ever got uncomfortable then she only had to say so and id stop

Just shows you how sick women are.

A lot of women like violent men too.

personally, i am offended by the word ''rape''. i think we should all call it ''untenderly love''.

The key word is "fantasy": lots of people get excited by imagining things that they would hate in real life.

Yes it's all the women's fault they're getting raped and beaten!

Shut the **** up.

Think of it like how people get a kick out of FPS games, like CoD or whatever, but would ****ing crap themselves if you dropped them in an actual warzone. It's not something people actually want to do.

When you imagine yourself a hero in a game, you still imagine yourself as this strong, fast, invincible John McClane-esque figure. In reality, you're a pathetic nobody who'll would be torn apart in minutes.

Likewise, when women imagine rape fantasies, it's from a very safe vantage point. There's never any real danger to them, they just like the idea of rough "involuntary" sex that's given to them forcefully. They still imagine it feeling good. They still imagine wanting more. Real rape is nothing like the fantasy. Real rape is terrifying, dangerous and traumatic. No one wants that. Remember, when a women imagines this scenario, she still has the option to say no. She is in control of the fantasy and can chose to stop imagining at any point. So it's never a violation of her in the way true rape is.

Hope I helped.

This is a stupid, ****ty fail thread and frankly I'm utterly disgusted that TSR allows stuff like this.

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I don't really agree with your criticisms. It sounds to me like you only read the abstract! The authors clearly state:


Items 1-8 of the checklist are as follows:

1. Being overpowered or forced by a man to surrender sexually against my will.
2. Being overpowered or forced by a woman to surrender sexually against my will.
3. Being overpowered or forced into a sexual act against my will because I was incapacitated due to drugs, alcohol, or sleep.
4. Being overpowered or forced by a man to give him oral sex.
5. Being overpowered or forced by a woman to give her oral sex.
6. Being overpowered or forced to have anal sex.
7. Being raped by a man.
8. Being raped by a woman.

I don't think those definitions are at all arbitrary, and I think they're a very comprehensive view of how someone might view their fantasy. Subjects were required to answer all 8 questions on a scale from 0 (never) to 6 (several times a day). For the other methods of measure used in the study (the sexual fantasy log and Kanin's question), the definition was equally clear. Either using the word "rape" directly, or using the legal definition of rape as suggests above.

The authors don't extrapolate their data outside of the population sample (US Southwestern female undergraduates), so I don't think your 2nd criticism is really a valid appraisal of the study. This sort of limitation is the case with almost all human studies and is not a flaw in the study design - subsequent extrapolation from the population sample is a flaw of the data interpretor. In fact, the authors address this themselves:


3) I totally agree! I don't doubt that self-selection bias has systematically raised the reported prevalence (this is why repetition and consistency are so important in epidemiological studies!), but researchers incentivised participation with extra credit so as to attempt to lessen this effect - although it still remains significant.

4) Not at all. When someone wishes to measure prevalence and frequency, I don't think such methods are limiting at all! The authors want to investigate the existence of rape fantasies - and with their comprehensive definitions - I think they do this well. Epidemiological studies do similar when trying to measure the prevalence of disease: defining a case, then simply looking at databases (or even sometimes surveying subjects) to see if they meet the criteria. This is what's been done here.

I think the most interesting finding are here:
However, the 62% figure is conflated by the combination of different items in the checklist. To give raw results:

Item 1: 52% reported having this fantasy
Item 2: 18% reported having this fantasy
Item 3: 25% reported having this fantasy
Item 4: 28% reported having this fantasy
Item 5: 10% reported having this fantasy
Item 6: 17% reported having this fantasy
Item 7: 33% reported having this fantasy
Item 8: 10% reported having this fantasy

The raw results give an interesting perspective on how the subjects view what "rape" actually is, imo. Given the disparity between item 7 directly asking "how often do you fantasise about being raped by a man?" and item 1 that asks "how often do you fantasise asking about being forced to surrender sexually to a man against your will?"

However, when subjects were asked to discuss a sexual fantasy that involved the use of coercion or aggression. Only a quarter of women wrote about, what qualified in the case definition, as a rape fantasy.

Interesting study, imo. I think the study is totally valid, but the measurements of prevalence and frequency have been artificially increased by the biases present and the statistical analysis used. Would like to see other authors replicate the same study.



All definitions used by the authors explicitly note "lack of consent" as a part of the criteria, with the exception of items 4 - 6, which introduces a potential source of ambiguity for the study subjects.

I'm offended by your dehumanising attitude towards women.

Seriously, TSR, I can't believe a thread like this goes on for ONE ****ING WEEK and nobody sees an issue with it.

Okay genuine question here, no sarcasm - If women these days have so many strong feelings about feminism and female empowerment then why do a lot of them have fantasies about being dominated by a male? Surely that's just hypocritical...fantasy or not?

because they are naturally submissive and love domination. and that's not cool to acknowledge in our modern pc world. but millions of years of evolution cannot be erased by mere seconds of social engineering so they struggle with it.