Muslim students at Queen Mary calling for a ‘right to pray’

It clearly is very different, religious stuff affects a students welfare whereas drinking does not, not to mention that students would be in uni while drunk. Another thing is that Drapers Bar is available on campus and has more than enough space and meets the demand of students.
Erm no you can't, because that would go agaínst uníversíty polícy

If you really want to debate this, go debate at the council meetings at QM, because the íssue has been addressed and sorted.

I never said that students had to binge drink and get drunk, why they can't have one or two drinks?

Í am just statíng the íssue behínd ít, so ít barely affects there welfare...not to mentíon there needs are already met

At many events, Drapers is too full that you can barely walk through. Should I protest by saying they should set me up another bar elsewhere on campus? I would disagree and argue it does affect welfare as it adds to student experience, hence why they have student nights.

Theres a huge dífference, student níghts and what not do not clash wíth uníversíty life aka lectures, etc whereas prayers do. Not to mentíon they have no tíme restríctíons in comparíson apart from when it closes at night.

What's wrong with debating it on here?

The guy who put forward that analogy was absolutely right, QM only gave in due to immoral blackmail. Because religion can be linked to racism, and activities such as drinking cannot it was won, despite it being no different.

Objectively, there is no hierarchy which rates the desire to use a space to pray to a deity above the desire to use a space to forward one's enjoyment of alcohol consumption and the corresponding social interaction. Both are ideological and subjective whims/goals/desires.

Objectively, there is no hierarchy which rates the desire to use a space to pray to a deity above the desire to use a space to forward one's enjoyment of alcohol consumption and the corresponding social interaction. Both are ideological and subjective whims/goals/desires.

But what if other societies book the hall at the relevant time period? What if the Role-playing Society figures out, with no malice involved, that they need the hall and the only time that can be conflicts with Friday prayers?

So what would happen if another society or university organisation required the hall during Friday prayers and what if this occurred on such a frequent basis so as to make Friday prayers in the hall a very infrequent occurrence?

Wow, how about those starving African children who want to eat lol? Muslims are so above us that they cannot find a little patch of land to bend over and face Mecca? Grass is too good for them?

Fair enough, but where will the ISOC go if they are behind first come, first serve? This whole thread has been about the ISOC not having much other choices so they need the hall, but if they are willing not to barge in front of other societies and be on a fair playing field - where will they go if another society or university group books the hall before them?

Regardless, where will the ISOC go if the hall is booked already?

Did you just argue that getting pissed is ideological?

And that it's as meaningful as praying to God?

Oh dear.

Getting pissed is more meaningful than praying - when you drink, you feel an effect. When you pray, nobody listens.

Thus drinking has more meaning than praying.

You don't know what people feel when they pray.

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I know what I felt when I prayed -- absolutely nothing, as it is a totally futile gesture and is really no more than thinking to yourself.

Chemicals have recognised effects.

Thinking to yourself does not.

You felt nothing, does that mean others feel nothing?



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Should a University care?

Well there ís a sígnífícant dífference between the two ín the current matter. Whích ís for socíetíes beíng able to book the halls just as they were able to just before summer holídays. Not to mentíon there ís a significant demand for it consíderíng the uní securíty got ínvolved wíth the current overcrowdíng íssue ín the current rooms, restríctíng the space that could be used, turníng away people yet unwíllíng to provide the space.

Hence why they decíded to pray outsíde, just to show how many people show up, just so the uníversíty reverses íts decísíon to stop hall bookíngs to socíetíes.

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