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Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
I don't think it can only occur one way, I just think insitutional sexism is worse than sexism on it's own. It still happens, it's just not as bad
Got any evidence?
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Original post by Robbie242
Things Modern Feminism is ignoring:
- Sexism from religion, mainly Islam atm
- Male sexism and issues males face
- Preferential treatment for females
- The definition of rape
Things Modern Feminism is pursuing
- The broad idea of objectification, that reading the sun turns us all into potential rapists and we should remove page 3 from the face of the planet (when really internet porn is far more explicit and available than page 3)
- Cambridge pool parties
- Unfair quotas
- 'Rape Culture'
Tell me one thing feminism has done in the past 10 years that has actually had a significant impact
- Sexism from religion, mainly Islam atm
- Male sexism and issues males face
- Preferential treatment for females
- The definition of rape
Things Modern Feminism is pursuing
- The broad idea of objectification, that reading the sun turns us all into potential rapists and we should remove page 3 from the face of the planet (when really internet porn is far more explicit and available than page 3)
- Cambridge pool parties
- Unfair quotas
- 'Rape Culture'
Tell me one thing feminism has done in the past 10 years that has actually had a significant impact
The successful equal pay movement.
Development and contraception in third world countries such as India, especially areas like Kerala
Abortion rights
Better rights for women in the workplace especially surrounding feminism
Greater flexibility of maternity and paternity leave
I could go on
Original post by Oschene23
On my opinion that insitutional sexism is worse than sexism? My opinion?
Original post by Robbie242
I am assuming by the lack of a response to my post that feminism hasn't really had any impact at all in the past 10 years
I've given up trying to debate with the likes of you. The point of this thread was not feminism. Stop trying to detract from the point of the thread.
And frankly your statement makes no sense. What type of impacts where you expecting in only a decade? Are significant socio economic milestones achieved in the space of just one decade?
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Original post by redferry
The successful equal pay movement.
Development and contraception in third world countries such as India, especially areas like Kerala
Abortion rights
Better rights for women in the workplace especially surrounding feminism
Greater flexibility of maternity and paternity leave
I could go on
Development and contraception in third world countries such as India, especially areas like Kerala
Abortion rights
Better rights for women in the workplace especially surrounding feminism
Greater flexibility of maternity and paternity leave
I could go on
That statement is awfully general, 10years ago there was equal pay and now there is equal pay, men and women make different choices rather than there been institutionalised workplace discrimination .
Which abortion rights in the past 10 years?
Which better rights for women in the workplace surrounding feminism in the past 10 years?
Which changes made in the past 10 years and is there a point blank statement saying thanks to pressure from the feminist group ... we now have greater rights...
sources please
Original post by enthuziazmz
because it's the women in this thread who can't seem to grasp the concept. btw i love your ''corpse in a tim burton movie'' look!! maybe you can be an extra in his next flick and show up on the end credits : large woman corpse number 4.
hit me wk mods.
hit me wk mods.
So disagreeing with you means not being able to grasp a concept? Also I'm not about to take insults about my appearance from someone who doesn't have a face
Original post by Eva.Gregoria
I've given up trying to debate with the likes of you. The point of this thread was not feminism. Stop trying to detract from the point of the thread.
And frankly your statement makes no sense. What type of impacts where you expecting in only a decade? Are significant socio economic milestones achieved in the space of just one decade?
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And frankly your statement makes no sense. What type of impacts where you expecting in only a decade? Are significant socio economic milestones achieved in the space of just one decade?
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ok. It's relevant though, feminism and feminists are agreeing with your OP and there may be a reason for that
Some impacts at least, some to be expected of a high degree if feminism is such an important prominent ''equal rights'' movement... the fact a movement focusing on equal rights (meaning many members) has made little change in the past 10 years says something about its effectiveness and its aims
Original post by redferry
Got women into the workplace so men are no longer obliged to be the sole breadwinner.
I wanted a men's issue that they're actively pursing not a slight benefit by proxy of helping women. It's my fault in how I asked the question.
Original post by redferry
The successful equal pay movement.
Development and contraception in third world countries such as India, especially areas like Kerala
Abortion rights
Better rights for women in the workplace especially surrounding feminism
Greater flexibility of maternity and paternity leave
I could go on
Development and contraception in third world countries such as India, especially areas like Kerala
Abortion rights
Better rights for women in the workplace especially surrounding feminism
Greater flexibility of maternity and paternity leave
I could go on
These are all foreign issues.
Let's focus on the problems at home first, shall we? You have equal pay, you have contraception, you have abortion rights, and you have equal rights in the workplace, if not more now.
Do go on if you can though, I'm intrigued.
Flexibility of maternity and paternity I would consider a men's rights issue given that women already get plenty of maternity rights.
Original post by Eva.Gregoria
Where have I been a douche to you or any other men in particular?
I don't remember words, only times and people. You managed to piss off an entire thread of guys for one reason or another from what I recall. Was a few weeks back.
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Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
Because we're having a serious debate, not like whoring on a social network website
People whore on here all the time.
Social sites/forums are by and large an attention seeking practice. A chance for everyone to be a 'celebrity' of some sorts. A chance to showcase the best things about you People then compare another person's highlights reel to their everyday life, and feel like their life sucks.
Threads titled 'Never believe a female when they say looks don't matter'
or 'Why are females such emotional bitches?' are exactly the sort of thing you'd see on Facebook.
At least with Facebook there's a degree of accountability with pictures involved.
Anyway, back on topic:
I personally do feel that men don't accept women as equal (even those who think they do). It's subconscious, and it's more accepted than racism/homophobia in society. It's swept under the carpet.
Racism has taken years just to get to where we are now (it still needs work), and sexism will take even longer. It's sad, but it's true.
It's social conditioning. Until the day when personality traits are not assigned to (and expected of) the two genders, things wont change.
I'm always surprised when other people are surprised (like the OP is.) Things like this don't change overnight.
There are plenty of women in real life who stereotype men in the same way. Plenty.
However, men (from my experience) tend to act like 'lads' on the internet.
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Original post by Robbie242
That statement is awfully general, 10years ago there was equal pay and now there is equal pay, men and women make different choices rather than there been institutionalised workplace discrimination .
Which abortion rights in the past 10 years?
Which better rights for women in the workplace surrounding feminism in the past 10 years?
Which changes made in the past 10 years and is there a point blank statement saying thanks to pressure from the feminist group ... we now have greater rights...
sources please
Which abortion rights in the past 10 years?
Which better rights for women in the workplace surrounding feminism in the past 10 years?
Which changes made in the past 10 years and is there a point blank statement saying thanks to pressure from the feminist group ... we now have greater rights...
sources please
Equal pay: There have been massive pay outs in jobs that are traditionally womens jobs, for example social work, over the past 5 years or so, especially in the midlands. Pay in these jobs have been brought into line with traditional male jobs in a way it never has been before.
abortion rights: free easy access to abortions which wasn't anywhere near as available 10 years ago. Also preventing the abortion limit being lowered.
Ten years ago far more women lost their jobs through pregnancy
if you don't believe me jfgi.
Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
So disagreeing with you means not being able to grasp a concept? Also I'm not about to take insults about my appearance from someone who doesn't have a face
except i'm a guy and i'm not obsessed with taking 80 selfies a day and spending 50% of my life painting my face. i depend on my on my brain in life, not my looks . meanwhile, you still look like a 38 year old tim burton fat corpse...
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Its not actually about men hating woman or woman hating men.
Its called diversity.
Diversity in morals, in values, in norms and in opinions. Thats where the debates come from.
We're all having heated debates on here about gender equality, stay at home wifes, controlling men. I wouldnt say I hate any of the people who dissagree with what I say, and I'd like to say that they dont hate me either.
Purely because we dont know eachother to be hating, we just dont share the same values or outlook.
Diversity is ok
Its called diversity.
Diversity in morals, in values, in norms and in opinions. Thats where the debates come from.
We're all having heated debates on here about gender equality, stay at home wifes, controlling men. I wouldnt say I hate any of the people who dissagree with what I say, and I'd like to say that they dont hate me either.
Purely because we dont know eachother to be hating, we just dont share the same values or outlook.
Diversity is ok
Original post by CJKay
These are all foreign issues.
Let's focus on the problems are home first, shall we?
Flexibility of maternity and paternity I would consider a men's rights issue given that women already get plenty of maternity rights.
I don't remember words, only times and people. You managed to piss off an entire thread of guys for one reason or another from what I recall. Was a few weeks back.
Let's focus on the problems are home first, shall we?
Flexibility of maternity and paternity I would consider a men's rights issue given that women already get plenty of maternity rights.
I don't remember words, only times and people. You managed to piss off an entire thread of guys for one reason or another from what I recall. Was a few weeks back.
all of them except India I was talking about the UK specifically. You are wrong, they are not foreign issues. See my other post for more specifics.
Mens rights and womens rights are interlinked. You can't have one without the other, and many feminists supports mens rights. Paternity and maternity rights are intrinsically linked to rights for both genders.
Original post by enthuziazmz
except i'm a guy and i'm not obsessed with taking 80 selfies a day and spending 50% of my like painting my face. i depend on my on my brain in life, not my looks . meanwhile, you still look like a 38 year old tim burton fat corpse...
You can only see my face, so how you've deduced I'm fat, I do not know. I'm actually 132lbs, a size 6-8 and 5"8, pretty slim. I don't take 80 selfies a day and I on't look 38. If you spend 50% of your life on makeup, then you need to work on your skills
Also "I get by on my brain in life, not looks!" in defnece to being asked for a pic is the mark of someone insecure
Original post by AreebWithaHat
also OP you'll find the 'women-hating men' are usually the ones that don't 'get any' so take their sexual frustrations out on girls on the internet. these ppl tend to be quiet as hell and very timid irl.
don't get too worked up.
don't get too worked up.
This! No girl wants me... quickly let me go on Internet to tell how useless women are...
Couldn't say better myself.
Original post by enthuziazmz
the vast majority men were plenty oppressed by the ruling classes for 99% of history too, used as hard labor donkeys and cannon fodder, there's a giant thread about it on this forum.
but either way, does that make it ok though? agreeing with the sisterhood, wrong or right? you know who else acts this way? the mafia. wise guy's always right. even when they're wrong they're right.
but either way, does that make it ok though? agreeing with the sisterhood, wrong or right? you know who else acts this way? the mafia. wise guy's always right. even when they're wrong they're right.
Right, of course not - but explainable, probably..
+ yep, a lot of men were opressed, but as were many in power, the concept of men taking up the extreme positions within society, is one that I have no issue with, but it does go some way to explaining why men may be more likely to agree with other men..
I mean, put it this way:
Historically who are men's main rivals to sucess? other men.. whether its in dating, jobs, politics etc.. it was other men who stood in their way.. at either end of the spectrum, whether they were fighting to survive poverty, or fighting to gain more wealth..
So why would they grow to have a psychological disposition to agree with other men? it would be counter-productive towards their own success..
Women on the other hand, had no such barriers with other women.. sure there are squables/fights, but the barrier to their sucess was perceived (whether you agree or not, that it actually was) as men.. it was men who controlled their lives, whether through marriage, or through politics.. (with few exceptions)
Banding together with other women, would provide some comfort though, and some manner of strength, united they atleast felt like a difference could be made. - There really was no rivalry to other women, no need to disagree and cause confrontations.. but to disagree with men, well especially in the early 20th/late 19th century, that was viewed as a way of progressing in society..
So if you see what I mean, whilst not strictly right, it is probably explainable, why men would be less likely to side with other men (their main rivals) whereas women would be more likely to blindly agree with their own (their main allies)
Original post by redferry
all of them except India I was talking about the UK specifically. You are wrong, they are not foreign issues. See my other post for more specifics.
Mens rights and womens rights are interlinked. You can't have one without the other, and many feminists supports mens rights. Paternity and maternity rights are intrinsically linked to rights for both genders.
Mens rights and womens rights are interlinked. You can't have one without the other, and many feminists supports mens rights. Paternity and maternity rights are intrinsically linked to rights for both genders.
I think you'll find the majority of vocal 'Feminists' do anything but support men's rights.
They pay them lip service during their rants about 'Patriarchy' but they certainly do not support them in any real sense.
Original post by redferry
Equal pay: There have been massive pay outs in jobs that are traditionally womens jobs, for example social work, over the past 5 years or so, especially in the midlands. Pay in these jobs have been brought into line with traditional male jobs in a way it never has been before.
abortion rights: free easy access to abortions which wasn't anywhere near as available 10 years ago. Also preventing the abortion limit being lowered.
Ten years ago far more women lost their jobs through pregnancy
if you don't believe me jfgi.
abortion rights: free easy access to abortions which wasn't anywhere near as available 10 years ago. Also preventing the abortion limit being lowered.
Ten years ago far more women lost their jobs through pregnancy
if you don't believe me jfgi.
But is that right? Is that not imposing the view that social work holds the same value as the traditional male jobs? When it may or may not... Social work is meant to be fairly low paid anyway... also isn't that projecting a message to females to get more involved in social work since it reaps higher/similar rewards to a more challenging equivalent (that sounded snobbish but I'm talking of getting more women into the sciences rather than education. humanities and social work). It doesn't seem like a wholly positive impact tbh
Yes but what did feminism do to improve these abortion rights? I'm pretty sure mothers and fathers etc pursued greater abortion rights, rather than feminism as a whole
Is there a massive statistical difference between then and today? have you got some evidence to back up your claims?
what is jfgi
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