Animal lovers that eat meat - hypocrites or not?

You are infact directly involved in cruel acts to animals when you buy cheap meat. By paying for it you are essentially saying "I support this and i wish for it to continue."

I despise the attitude of "There's no point giving this thing up because it won't make much difference." It's a **** excuse and the exact way i used to think before i gave up meat.

More hypocritical than vegetarians/vegans who consume or use animal products.

Nobody is perfect, but they certainly are hypocrites.

Sure, on my first post I replied to you: how is eating meat "directly" harming them?
And, How is it hypocritical to at least try to save endangered animals and improve conditions for farm animals? Are you saying it is better to either completely disregard animals or completely go against all animal abuse? In which case many vegetarians and vegans, as pointed out earlier on by others are also hypocrites.
You also use the word hypocrite as if to offend people, but given what I wrote above, I would be happier being labelled as hypocrite rather than be someone that eats meat and enjoys harming animals.

I love animals but I also eat meat, arent most farm animals bread for this purpose anyway? what would happen to this huge number of methane producing animals if they were not used for food and other things?

Also what would happen to all the farmers who own/provide them.

I dont agree with harming an animal for fun/sport though similarly to what a previous poster said.

Funny thing is I've met alot of "hardcore vegans" who wear leather products, drink non vegan approved alcohol and use non vegan approved beauty products, makes me laugh, met one drinkin guiness once had to inform him of his fishy pint lol.

1. Not really. You don't die if you don't eat meat. You eat meat because you like it not because you need it. And if you eat animals just because you like it, what could stop you from eating humans as well?

1. Not really. You don't die if you don't eat meat. You eat meat because you like it not because you need it. And if you eat animals just because you like it, what could stop you from eating humans as well?

I'm referring to very early humans, possibly pre-sapiens, to very early sapiens. They were hunters. They ate meat. There is evidence for such activity and they thrived because they were hunters, not because they sat in a valley looking after baby rabbits and making sure the nasty wasty human race didn't eat them all. To them animals = food. They did gather as well, but without animals they wouldn't have been able to keep warm as they migrated from Africa either.

So you live your life as a hunter gatherer pre-sapien then?

I don't deny that eating meat got us to where we are now in our evolution but that's an irrelavant arguement to make in the current day. It's basically just the naturalistic fallacy again.

A sexist could use the same logic as you and say that women should only be the nurturers in the modern family because hey, when we were neanderthals women looked after the children while the men hunted for the food.

I know that's not how it is now, but it is these animal lovers that believe we shouldn't eat animals that I'm talking about. They don't think its right to eat animals and yet without eating/killing animals we probably wouldn't be here, thus hypocritical, thus relating to thread title. I do agree with what you're saying, but I'm adding to why it is more hypocritical for people who love animals that DO NOT eat meat to not eat said meat for those reasons. People do what they want, regardless of what is said/discussed here so every post is irrelevant, really. What I stated was my opinion as an animal lover that eats meat, not fact hat everyone should believe in.

Just an FYI, we were never Neanderthals, they are an individual species that co-existed along side us and possibly also died because of us.

That's not hypocrisy. Are you honestly saying that anyone that has morals or behaviour that's different from the way our ancestors behaved is being hypocrticial? It's false logic as i've already shown.

Pretty sure there is significant evidence that there was indeed a small amount of interbreeding between early humans and neanderthals, so not technically incorrect.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/12/131218133658.htm
http://news.nationalgeographic.co.uk/news/2010/05/100506-science-neanderthals-humans-mated-interbred-dna-gene/


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I'm referring to very early humans, possibly pre-sapiens, to very early sapiens. They were hunters. They ate meat. There is evidence for such activity and they thrived because they were hunters, not because they sat in a valley looking after baby rabbits and making sure the nasty wasty human race didn't eat them all. To them animals = food. They did gather as well, but without animals they wouldn't have been able to keep warm as they migrated from Africa either.

I actually said that buying meat makes a person directly involved in the acts of cruelty. Which i believe it does, by paying money for it to happen. There's a difference between that and saying 'eating meat directly harms them', which i didn't say.

I also don't remember saying it was hypocritical to try to improve conditions for farmed animals. I'm all for that. My original post is aimed at people that like to make a big statement about being animal lovers, yet take no regard for the meat they eat or where it comes from.



You stated that it was natural and therefore 'no need to change'. That's a logically false argument to make.
I sincerely hope you don't make all your moral decisions based upon your inner instincts. Our logical, rational minds should make moral decisions instead of primitive base instincts like appetite and sexual lust. For example, if i'm getting hit on by a hot girl who is extremely drunk, my primal animal desires still want me to have sexy time with her, but the rational part of my brain knows that it's immoral as she isn't in a fit state to consent.
As for the suggestion that you might not be able to survive without meat, that's rather funny. I used to think the exact same way before i very gradually phased meat out of my diet. It's easier than you think and i genuinely don't feel any different.




Lol, if people can afford meat, they can afford to be vegetarian.

You know those people on Facebook that often post photos of cute animals and share links to do with saving elephants/dolphins from harm etc. Can someone fairly call themselves an 'animal lover' but still buy into the barbaric, intensively reared, mass-produced factory farmed pigs, cows and chickens?