Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing?

It really isn't to be fair.

good for the Scots, means they are free of the Tory ******* in Westminster, I envy them that chance!

ffs TSR sort out your swear filter, so many times I have to edit the censoring in.

So they should vote for independence because of a government in Westminster that will be voted out in a few years.... I have seen some terrible arguments for independence but I think yours is the worst


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We don't want labour either. Labour and Conservative are almost the same party these days imo. Why do you think SNP got a majority? It isn't because everyone in scotland wants independence.

I strongly beg to differ.


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So they should vote for independence because of a government in Westminster that will be voted out in a few years.... I have seen some terrible arguments for independence but I think yours is the worst


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I do agree with this to a certain extent

I'd like to see a positive campaign for independence on why it is going to be good for Scotland rather than a negative campaign based on being free from the UK

Update on the polls:

Sunday Times: Panelbase Scottish Poll
Yes: 37% (down 1%)
NO: 49% (up 2%)

Labour are Tories in red ties these days. We just want to dissolve the union of Parliaments, in other words, say goodbye to Westminster, for good.

good for the Scots, means they are free of the Tory ******* in Westminster, I envy them that chance!

ffs TSR sort out your swear filter, so many times I have to edit the censoring in.

If a nation can't fully control it's own foreign policy, then how can it be called independent? Look at any country with devolution and you'll see that Foreign Policy, Defence and a couple of other things are always reserved to national level.

Given that the EU is planning closer integration it seems that Yes Scotland are suggesting we swap being a devolved state within the UK, to being a devolved state within the EU.


As we will be signing up to NATO, we will be required to allow nuclear weapons onto Scottish soil and into Scottish territorial waters.


Just out of interest, can you think of a single government in the EU who haven't cut welfare budgets since the financial crash of 2008?

Even the Swedish - who the SNP so idolise - have cut back on welfare under Anders Borg.

Every country in the developed world has been cutting back on spending in recent years, to say that we should leave the UK because of spending cuts is at best totally misguided.



If you want more freedom to set taxes and control welfare, but you aren't bothered about Foreign Policy and external affairs then surely you are arguing for more devolution, not independence?


The whole point is that you don't use them. They are so terrifying that no nuclear power dares open war with another nuclear power.

I must admit I really dislike nuclear weapons and I'm hopeful that we will get rid of them within 30-50 years, but right now I can't see a better option on the table.


That isn't true. Salmond will continue to run the SNP and will probably stannd for re-election in 2016.

Furthermore, as the head of the Scottish Government it would be Salmond leading negotiations in the event of a 'Yes' vote. Therefore, Salmond's vision for Scotland - as set out in the White Paper - will be what he is negotiating to achieve. If you disagree with the White Paper then you will disagree with the Scotland Salmond negotiates.


That is how taxation works. If everyone put in £1 and got £1 back then what would be the point? Scotland as a whole might put in £1 and only get 80p back, but that is because 20p is spent on an underdeveloped part of the UK.

In Scotland at the moment Aberdeen puts in significantly more than it get back from the Scottish Government. Perhaps you think all the oil money should go to Aberdeen?


Scottish votes have had a effect in every single general election ever. After all, Scottish voters have elected MPs who take up seats in the HoC regardless of which party forms the government.

Those MPs go on to vote, scrutinise the Government, serve as Ministers and serve on Select Committees.


Scotland did not vote for anyone. MPs are voted in on a constituency basis, not on a Scotland-wides basis.

Misrepresentation here. Yes and No gap is closing with swing towards Yes, and No votes falling.

Misrepresentation here. Yes and No gap is closing with swing towards Yes, and No votes falling.

Yes and the 20p for each point should be spent on underdeveloped parts of SCOTLAND but instead it gets spent on keeping London.

This is not about bloody Alex Salmond. If we do not want him, we will not reelect him - IT'S THAT SIMPLE. We live in a democracy, he can run again if he likes. Whether he gets reelected is up to US. So that statement was invalid.

Yes and the 20p for each point should be spent on underdeveloped parts of SCOTLAND but instead it gets spent on keeping London.

I understand how MPs are elected - the majority of scottish constituencies vote Labour in terms of general elections - therefore it can be generalised to the whole of scotland.

Salmond can do whatever he likes, we voted him in. He is left wing, we are left wing. The point is we reelect soon after the referendum. He cannot introduce anything if we do not reelect him. Therefore, the power is OURS not Salmond's.

This is not about bloody Alex Salmond. If we do not want him, we will not reelect him - IT'S THAT SIMPLE. We live in a democracy, he can run again if he likes. Whether he gets reelected is up to US. So that statement was invalid.

Yes and the 20p for each point should be spent on underdeveloped parts of SCOTLAND but instead it gets spent on keeping London.

I understand how MPs are elected - the majority of scottish constituencies vote Labour in terms of general elections - therefore it can be generalised to the whole of scotland.

Salmond can do whatever he likes, we voted him in.

He is left wing

We work to keep London safe! The whole focus is on LONDON.

Update on the polls:

Sunday Times: Panelbase Scottish Poll
Yes: 37% (down 1%)
NO: 49% (up 2%)