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Original post by pane123
QPR seem to be trying their best to do this, too.



Original post by sr90
I really, really hope they don't get promoted. It'll finally show the media once and for all that their darling 'Arry is an incredibly overrated manager.

Leicester and Forest coming up would be perfect.


Highly doubt QPR will go up - they've been reliant on the goals of Austin all season (I think he's the only one to get over 5 goals for them so far) and with him out injured they aren't going to manage it. Particularly when 'Arry's solution is to throw money at more midfielders.
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Can only see QPR going up through the play-offs to be honest. Leicester look all set to win the title and I'd love Dyche to get promoted with Burnley, he did a great job when he was with us and was unfairly sacked in the first place. QPR, Forest, Derby and Watford(Hope is a fantastic emotion) to get the playoff spots.
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Original post by sr90
I really, really hope they don't get promoted. It'll finally show the media once and for all that their darling 'Arry is an incredibly overrated manager.

Leicester and Forest coming up would be perfect.


Forest are a disgrace to English football along with all the other clubs bankrolled by foreign tycoons.
Original post by pane123
Yeh, they are well supported teams and would add something to the Premier League. I really do not want Burnley to come up.


The Premier League is hyper commercialised garbage for the plastic generation of football fans. Whilst I wouldn't complain at my team getting a slice I'm also kind of glad not to be part of it.
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Original post by Midlander
The Premier League is hyper commercialised garbage for the plastic generation of football fans. Whilst I wouldn't complain at my team getting a slice I'm also kind of glad not to be part of it.


I find that very hard to believe. Surely any fan wants their team to do as well as possible, which would mean eventually reaching the Premier League.
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Original post by Midlander
Forest are a disgrace to English football along with all the other clubs bankrolled by foreign tycoons.


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Original post by pane123
I find that very hard to believe. Surely any fan wants their team to do as well as possible, which would mean eventually reaching the Premier League.


The best you can hope for without tycoon backing is mid table. That is not an enjoyable enterprise and like I said the whole thing is commercialised to death. The Bundesliga has been more interesting to watch even with Bayern's dominance and that says a lot about how unhealthy English football is right now.


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As soon as Sheikh Whatshisface buys out Derby I'll say the same :tongue:


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Original post by Midlander
The best you can hope for without tycoon backing is mid table. That is not an enjoyable enterprise and like I said the whole thing is commercialised to death. The Bundesliga has been more interesting to watch even with Bayern's dominance and that says a lot about how unhealthy English football is right now.


I do enjoy the Premier League, but I see where you're coming from. I think some of the clubs with billionaire backing are doing things the right way, though.

The Football League, Serie A, Ligue 1 & 2 and La Liga are where my main interest lies, though.
Original post by Midlander
Forest are a disgrace to English football along with all the other clubs bankrolled by foreign tycoons.


Not at all - the local business man done good just isn't sustainable in the modern economics of football. As much as I'd love Leicester to be owned by the fans or a local business man, it's not viable. Lumping all the foreign owners in with the likes of Assam at Hull and Tan at Cardiff is pretty absurd, some have done perfectly well.

However Fawazs ridiculous twitter nonsense combined with the poison dwarf in the managers office would make me happy to see forest failing.


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Original post by Midlander
The best you can hope for without tycoon backing is mid table. That is not an enjoyable enterprise and like I said the whole thing is commercialised to death. The Bundesliga has been more interesting to watch even with Bayern's dominance and that says a lot about how unhealthy English football is right now.


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German football is also extremely fan-friendly from what I've seen. I believe you can get a season ticket at Bayern Munich for cheaper than you can at most Championship clubs, because they're run by those who appreciate what a football club really needs, its fans. Unlike the BPL where if you get a season ticket for less than £500 you're more of a wheeler dealer than old Redknapp.
Original post by Midlander
The Premier League is hyper commercialised garbage for the plastic generation of football fans. Whilst I wouldn't complain at my team getting a slice I'm also kind of glad not to be part of it.

I kind of agree with this. The Premier League is only decent this year because their is a good title race & huge scrap at the bottom. Every other season has been quite mediocre really, although I'd bite your hand off to be there. The Championship is what the Prem should be. Close, exciting, brilliant fans. I rather feel that the big premier league teams are rather overshadowed by plastic fans.

Seriously, are the top 7 in the premier league ever going to get relegated?
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Seriously, are the top 7 in the premier league ever going to get relegated?


Your own club went from playing in a Champions League Semi Final to the third tier of English football in 6 years. We don't know what is going to happen in the long term.
Original post by sr90
Your own club went from playing in a Champions League Semi Final to the third tier of English football in 6 years. We don't know what is going to happen in the long term.

I wouldn't say Leeds had as big an influence back then than what Manchester United, Liverpool & Arsenal do now. They just make way too much money to have financial difficulties.
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I kind of agree with this. The Premier League is only decent this year because their is a good title race & huge scrap at the bottom. Every other season has been quite mediocre really, although I'd bite your hand off to be there. The Championship is what the Prem should be. Close, exciting, brilliant fans. I rather feel that the big premier league teams are rather overshadowed by plastic fans.

Seriously, are the top 7 in the premier league ever going to get relegated?


Even the Championship is spoilt by clubs bankrolled by tycoons and PL parachute payments. To be honest, the way the FL stood back and let my club get shafted in Northampton whilst allowing teams like Cardiff to run up a £100m debt in the Championship makes me very disillusioned at the whole set up.


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German football is also extremely fan-friendly from what I've seen. I believe you can get a season ticket at Bayern Munich for cheaper than you can at most Championship clubs, because they're run by those who appreciate what a football club really needs, its fans. Unlike the BPL where if you get a season ticket for less than £500 you're more of a wheeler dealer than old Redknapp.


I am going to Munich in August and looked up the costs-you can get a standing ticket for 15 euros (so £10?). An adult ticket at Coventry is twice that. Who do you think gets the better deal? The Germans have it spot on with the way they run their football.


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Not at all - the local business man done good just isn't sustainable in the modern economics of football. As much as I'd love Leicester to be owned by the fans or a local business man, it's not viable. Lumping all the foreign owners in with the likes of Assam at Hull and Tan at Cardiff is pretty absurd, some have done perfectly well.

However Fawazs ridiculous twitter nonsense combined with the poison dwarf in the managers office would make me happy to see forest failing.


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The German model shows this to be nonsense.


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Original post by pane123
I do enjoy the Premier League, but I see where you're coming from. I think some of the clubs with billionaire backing are doing things the right way, though.

The Football League, Serie A, Ligue 1 & 2 and La Liga are where my main interest lies, though.


It boils English football down to a case of which owner has the deepest pockets. It is not the right way to run football. I live in Scotland where the football on offer is dreadful however the fan experience is still better because it isn't commercialised to death and the prices reflect this.

Outside England, as you can probably tell, my interest is in the Bundesliga.




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The German model shows this to be nonsense.


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How so? The 50 + 1 rule may mean that the club that set the club up must own a majority, but it doesn't prevent considerable investment: deitmar hopp at hoffenheim, Bayer at leverkusen, volkswagen at wolfsburg, Adidas at bayern Munich...

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