The Arsenal Thread XIX

does gary go full blown in his criticism of any manager?

I think Gary is more pissed off at how they dealt with the sacking than anything. Maybe he genuinely believed moyes could turn it around?

I'm not the only person - the people of England are clearly satisfied with him given they haven't complained about him for the past 20 years.

So your beef is essentially that he hates you. We've gone from him being a **** pundit, to he hates Arsenal (which I was readily willing to admit could be the case, before). Pulis complained about MOTD highlights being unfair to his Palace team a month ago, therefore establishment bias against Crystal Palace. Yep. The BBC hates Arsenal, yep.

Haha, Alan Hansen who won maybe 8-10 leagues and 3 or 4 European cups, being bitter over a season that he didn't even play much in. Yeah, sure. It's not really good riddance - because he's not being gotten rid of, he's choosing to go.

Or he doesn't want to burn any bridges with Utd in case the option of coaching there becomes available?

People I know complain about him non-stop (all different fans too, fulham fan friend of mine despises him for instance). He's still a **** pundit because he skews his analysis in favour of his agenda, which isn't what a pundit should do. He personally hates us, but the establishment bias is mostly pro United/Liverpool (because of the historic success (80s onwards)). Pulis was right to complain too, so was Mourinho (as hard as I find it to agree with him on anything).

I don't think he really is that biased against you, his words about Ramsey earlier on in the season are being used in Arsenal compilations all over. The more I think about it, the less I think he's biased against you. He was comparing Ramsey to Zidane after a good game against Norwich ffs.

Lol, there's no establishment bias towards Liverpool at all. For years and years we were last, second last, third last on MOTD regardless of our result. MOTD and the BBC just favour teams who are successful in the present. Hansen may hate Arsenal, idk. But he's not unduly biased against you from what I've seen. And at the end of the day, he's not a **** pundit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDNHdi3bGjo

typical video of Arsenal fans upset that MOTD don't believe that they'll win the league. Saying Arsenal won't win the league =/= bias against Arsenal

There is an establishment bias in all of sports media, not just MOTD. It's reflected pretty blatantly by the bbc in favour of United and Sky in favour of Liverpool, mainly because of the amount of pro-Liverpool/united journalists. Phil McNulty is a classic example of this, writing about 3 United related articles a week on the bbc whilst effectively ignoring Chelsea/City/Arsenal and Liverpool in the main. With sky it's the other way around (replace United with Liverpool).

One compliment doesn't make up for years upon years of snide remarks and skewed analysis. He's occasionally been nice about us.

I have no problem with pundits saying we won't win the league, most arsenal fans agreed with that. My problem is the refusal to acknowledge us as contenders, which many (albeit not Hansen) did. Just read the articles in the telegraph about us, read Ashton's character assassination of Ozil (who is apparently 'stealing a living'), read the comparison of reporting over the United Bayern game and the Arsenal Bayern game.

The media is biased towards United primarily, and Liverpool secondarily. It's just the reality of the 80s and 90s sporting success by both clubs.

There is an establishment bias in all of sports media, not just MOTD. It's reflected pretty blatantly by the bbc in favour of United and Sky in favour of Liverpool, mainly because of the amount of pro-Liverpool/united journalists. Phil McNulty is a classic example of this, writing about 3 United related articles a week on the bbc whilst effectively ignoring Chelsea/City/Arsenal and Liverpool in the main. With sky it's the other way around (replace United with Liverpool).

One compliment doesn't make up for years upon years of snide remarks and skewed analysis. He's occasionally been nice about us.

I have no problem with pundits saying we won't win the league, most arsenal fans agreed with that. My problem is the refusal to acknowledge us as contenders, which many (albeit not Hansen) did. Just read the articles in the telegraph about us, read Ashton's character assassination of Ozil (who is apparently 'stealing a living'), read the comparison of reporting over the United Bayern game and the Arsenal Bayern game.

The media is biased towards United primarily, and Liverpool secondarily. It's just the reality of the 80s and 90s sporting success by both clubs.

and you care about all, why?

Maybe if we win the league sometime soon someone will ride our dicks as well.

In case you didn't notice we did win a lot during that time, but the establishment is already in place. It takes a decade of domination in order to encroach on the kind of media influence that those 2 clubs have. Chelsea have won loads and get very little recognition from the media (besides those first two Jose years). The same can also be said for City.

again, you care about all this, why?

Because it's fundamentally unfair?

Isn't that just "life"!

MOTD in general is pretty amateur anyway, so many ways in which it could be improved, would have to be longer than it currently is though.

MOTD in general is pretty amateur anyway, so many ways in which it could be improved, would have to be longer than it currently is though.