Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing?

It's always possible to show impressive growth rates when the start point was so bad. India has impressive growth rates, but is still a poor country.

No he doesn't. He tried to portray a degree of referencing by quoting crazy sources.

It's like trying to justify Lizard people exist because there's a website out there that says so.

either way, the Reverend doesn't even have a vote in this issue.

Maybe they see it as a primarily pro-Scotland rather than an anti-RUK move, maybe they dislike the union for other reasons, so on and so on. Interested to hear your thoughts on Maths Tutor's assertion that Westminster helped England to steal Scottish territory though.

Having seen the borders, do you think that's what happened or is he spouting anti-English nonsense as per usual?

Although Stuart Campbell is an unberable human being, he isn't the only issue.

I've just looked through the artices posted by Maths Tutor. In both of them, rather than providing evidence by linking to outside sources, almost all of the links in the articles lead to other WoS articles. You end up going round in circles.

Most of the WoS articles I've read in the past have relied on assertion, misrepresenation and downright untruths.

He spouts rather less anti-English nonsense than you do anti-Scottish nonsense!

I post anti-bigot. Nationality of said bigot could be anything.

Nice dodging of the point though-do you agree with him that England stole Scottish territory?


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Anti-bigot? You're having a laugh!

Dodging of the questions you continually ask me as if I were in government, and here simply for you to pummel with whatever you can fathom up next.

I am no expert in the laws of territorial boundaries. I will leave it unto the experts.

He references exactly what people have said and plenty of academic sources.

i thought I'd heard this one before!

i thought I'd heard this one before!

“Scotland can survive as an independent nation, I don’t think anybody doubts that. But I don't think it can be the high income, low tax economy that the Scottish government is telling its people it can," said Mr Dixon

The nationalist can keep dreaming. However if the scottish people accepted this and still want independence then that would be fine . If they want to pay higher taxes or lose out on current free services then that is fine, however it seem most people believe the opposite....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10788391/Independent-Scotland-may-have-to-scrap-perks-to-service-debt-burden.html

Boab's logic works if you assume every Yes voter is anti-Westminster. I never said that and I don't believe it to be the case.

There is a difference between being anti-English and anti-Westminster

How about the English who live in Scotland and get a vote? The poll shows 28% of them will vote YES. By your logic they too, are anti-English! How bizarre.

Next you'll be banging on about the McCrone report.

Good thing you reminded me about the McCrone report. I had forgotten to mention it for at least a year now.

But I notice that you haven't banged on about the EU legal advice for almost a couple of hours now so perhaps you could mention it in your next post.

That's the EU that Salmond lied about having legal advice then?

As I said, you don't need to convince me of the shortcomings of FPTP. I am an advocate of electoral reform and some form of PR.

We had a referendum on electoral reform for General Elections and the country quite resoundingly rejected it, even in Scotland, so for now I have to accept it.

Yet the € is a requirement for entry into the EU. Even Boab acknowledges that we'd have to rejoin that.

and here in lies the problem. The SNP are standing for something to be everything to all people. In the event of a yes vote how many people are going to realise they've been led down the garden path ?

I want to stay in the UK as I believe being part of the UK has benefitted us immensely. However it worried me greatly that the political party that is leading the charge fir us to leave isn't coming clean in the slightest and making it up as it goes along. I had more respect for Jim Sillars as at lea the followed the course that he believed in. Salmonds ego is going to cause big problems for is in the event if a yes vote. Even with a no vote, which I'm sure will be returned, I worry about the divisions that he is creating. You only have to look at the delusional rankings of Maths Tutor for that who has convinced himself that we're colonised and being rules by foreigners. people like that tend to act irrationally when they realise their sense of environment, surroundings and shared identity doesn't hold with the majority viewpoint.

I am a postgrad whose course fees are met by the research council funding my PhD, so I don't pay

anything. My belief is that the union can be made better without breaking it up. A Yes vote will have me made a foreigner and along with the bile and divisive rhetoric coming from Yes campaigners I have no reason to believe that dividing the union is of benefit to anybody.

Just like my views on EU membership. Rather than abandon the project we have to work on making it better.

What is wrong with being a 'foreigner'? You are a bigot aren't you? In most parts of the EU these days there are completely open borders and no-one talks about 'foreigners'. If you are not a bigot, why don't you leave such xenophobia to Nigel Farage, The Daily Mail and Margaret Curran?

That was in the late 90s he said that, how long are you going to keep playing that card?

The pound is now the best option according to the SNP, that doesn't mean they think it is a huge benefit to continue using it.