Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing?

Maybe they see it as a primarily pro-Scotland rather than an anti-RUK move, maybe they dislike the union for other reasons, so on and so on. Interested to hear your thoughts on Maths Tutor's assertion that Westminster helped England to steal Scottish territory though.

Having seen the borders, do you think that's what happened or is he spouting anti-English nonsense as per usual?

He spouts rather less anti-English nonsense than you do anti-Scottish nonsense!

Sorry, I just can't agree with this-even unionist Scots I know still say outrageous things like all English people should be ashamed of murdering Scots in the 14th century. Anglophobia is rife in Scotland and the SNP is of course playing on those sentiments for its own agenda. They forget that England isn't the only other country in this union.

Wales is a funny place. Everyone hates England with a burning passion but loves the economic perks of being its neighbour. If it were severed from Britain I wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Maybe they see it as a primarily pro-Scotland rather than an anti-RUK move, maybe they dislike the union for other reasons, so on and so on. Interested to hear your thoughts on Maths Tutor's assertion that Westminster helped England to steal Scottish territory though.

Having seen the borders, do you think that's what happened or is he spouting anti-English nonsense as per usual?

"The government has been asked to reconsider the decision to transfer 6,000 square miles of Scottish waters off the Berwickshire coast to English jurisdication."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/398670.stm

"In 1999, just before the UK Government devolved a range of domestic powers to Scotland, British Ministers introduced legislation that redrew the previous maritime boundary between Scotland and England.

The new boundary extended 200 miles in a north-west direction and placed 6000 square miles of previously Scottish waters under English legal control.

The move was widely criticised at the time and seen as an attempt by the British Government to secure rights to oil and gas fields in the North Sea should Scotland eventually become independent.

Now the Scottish Government has restated its intention to reclaim the disputed waters in the event of Scottish independence."

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140422/189312524/Scottish-Ministers-Will-Seek-Return-Of-Disputed-Waters-Following.html

I would say that England stole 6000 square miles of Scottish territory.

Of course by your usual impartial, non-biased and objective standards, you will extrapolate that as me being anti-English. I am not anti-English, I am anti-theft.

I am sure TSR's self styled legal expert L i b will clarify what international law says on this matter.

Although Stuart Campbell is an unberable human being, he isn't the only issue.

I've just looked through the artices posted by Maths Tutor. In both of them, rather than providing evidence by linking to outside sources, almost all of the links in the articles lead to other WoS articles. You end up going round in circles.

Most of the WoS articles I've read in the past have relied on assertion, misrepresenation and downright untruths.

Next you'll be banging on about the McCrone report.

Good thing you reminded me about the McCrone report. I had forgotten to mention it for at least a year now.

But I notice that you haven't banged on about the EU legal advice for almost a couple of hours now so perhaps you could mention it in your next post.

That's the EU that Salmond lied about having legal advice then?

There we go!

Would that be the non peer reviewed academic articles that are paid for by the SNP.

I mean, we have an academic saying we can get into the EU automatically,but the EU have said no to that and Salmond has lied about it.

We had a referendum on AV which is nowhere near Proportional representation.

In fact, AV would have been even worse than FPTP. For example,

The Tories (40% support) hate Labour, so they gave their 2nd vote to the Lib Dems.

Labour (40% support) hate the Tories, so they gave their 2nd vote to the Lib Dems.

So in constituency after constituency, the 3rd placed candidate with as little as 20% of the 1st choice vote would have won.

But you would still prefer Scotland to be ruled by an undemocratic Westminster parliament rather than a democratic Scottish parliament, right?

Just like the Scottish Labour MPs and MSPs.

Democracy for the world but not for Scotland.

There we go!

There we go yet again!

Assertion or FACT?

I don't think Midlander will ever see the difference between being anti-Westminster and being anti-English, and between England as a country ruled by Westminster and the English people.

I don't think I have ever posted an anti-English comment anywhere.

But let us see what Midlander has been spouting on this thread:

But the ever kind and tolerant Midlander would never ever get sick of Scotland and would never ever let it go, for its own sake of course!!!

Look at the boundaries and tell me what the problem is. If the problem is that the boundaries follow the line of the border and don't encroach on Scottish territory, that's fine.


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Permit me to remind you what you said:

You said there is no difference between being anti-English and anti-Westminster.

Now out of the 28% English voters planning to vote Yes, surely there must be at the very least some who are anti-Westminster, which by YOUR logic makes them anti-English.

Or do you believe that not a single one of the 28% English voter is anti-Westminster?

In which case why do you think they are voting Yes?

I wouldn't bother, after all it was the 'evil English' led by various incarnations of Alan Rickman who was annexing parts of Scotland.

He doesn't care who was in the cabinet.

Yes, "unbearable" by 'Bitter Together' because he totally demolishes their every single lie.

New question, lets try to discuss this without abusing each other:

Is rejecting a currency union in the rUK's best interests?

I'll answer first: it isn't in their best interest to reject it. the strength of Sterling will go down without Scottish input and the rUK's balance of payments will go through the roof.

What do we think?

New question, lets try to discuss this without abusing each other:

Is rejecting a currency union in the rUK's best interests?

I'll answer first: it isn't in their best interest to reject it. the strength of Sterling will go down without Scottish input and the rUK's balance of payments will go through the roof.

What do we think?

New question, lets try to discuss this without abusing each other:

Is rejecting a currency union in the rUK's best interests?

I'll answer first: it isn't in their best interest to reject it. the strength of Sterling will go down without Scottish input and the rUK's balance of payments will go through the roof.

What do we think?

I sometimes feel like the only person in Scotland who wouldn't see being forced to join the Euro as a bad thing.