Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing?

The great thing about Scottish independence is that, if achieved, it will have been a free and fair referendum that is legal and just.

Nothing about what Russia is doing in Ukraine is comparable.


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What makes you say that? Is it because that's what Alex Salmond wants?

The UK doesn't do currency unions. This has been seen with the fallout from the Euro zone crisis. It's been seen with the SNP doing a huge u turn on it's desire to embrace the €.

the argument that you're putting forward could be used to argue for the adoption of the €, yet time and time again the majority of the UK have said they don't want it.

although youre right in saying that it would weaken the rUK with the loss if oil revenues, this loss is more than made up by the relocation of Edinburgh's financial services sector which currently represents 10% of Scotland's GDP, down south.

youve also ignored the fact that the majority if the rUKs electorate don't want one. What would be left of the political parties have said they don't want one and the governor of the BoE has said its unlikely to be successful.

It's comparable,of course. Those Russians and Scottish people do love freedom.

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/referendum-news/osbornes-case-against-currency-union-ripped-apart-by-top-economist.23757346

Don't remember the BoE governor saying it wouldn't work but happy to be corrected if you can show me his quotes.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/26/scotland-share-uk-liabilities-currency-union-independence

Ok yes it's Nicola Sturgeon so could well be biased! but £60bn worth of goods is exported from the UK into Scotland and the rUK would have to suffer transaction costs through rejecting a currency union

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/referendum-news/osbornes-case-against-currency-union-ripped-apart-by-top-economist.23757346

Don't remember the BoE governor saying it wouldn't work but happy to be corrected if you can show me his quotes.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/26/scotland-share-uk-liabilities-currency-union-independence

Ok yes it's Nicola Sturgeon so could well be biased! but £60bn worth of goods is exported from the UK into Scotland and the rUK would have to suffer transaction costs through rejecting a currency union

RUK probably won't be too keen on doing much business with the country that has spent years insulting it and patronising it from across the border, either.


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http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/referendum-news/osbornes-case-against-currency-union-ripped-apart-by-top-economist.23757346

Don't remember the BoE governor saying it wouldn't work but happy to be corrected if you can show me his quotes.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/26/scotland-share-uk-liabilities-currency-union-independence

Ok yes it's Nicola Sturgeon so could well be biased! but £60bn worth of goods is exported from the UK into Scotland and the rUK would have to suffer transaction costs through rejecting a currency union

Or it would just trade those goods elsewhere.

More than likely businesses would either force the Scottish government (unlikely to shift the rUK stance and the Scottish state would be weak and pliable) to drop those charges/lower them, or it'll simply refocus elsewhere leaving Scotland without that £60b claimed worth of goods.

It's a common economic meme to witness a so called local business shift away from said area with barely a second thought when the money flow decreases. Companies have loyalty to profit first, and local links somewhere in the middle if that.

Sometimes I feel like some people severely under-estimate how little influence and power Scotland will have to get it's own way. At least North Korea for all it's pariah state ways has a rickety nuke.

RUK probably won't be too keen on doing much business with the country that has spent years insulting it and patronising it from across the border, either.Posted from TSR Mobile

A quote from Andrew Wilson in Scotland on Sunday (a Unionist rag) seems apt on this occasion....
"What England needs to hear is the truth. And that truth is that this vote is not about them or our attitude to them. It is about us and our attitude to ourselves. In psychological terms we are not seeking to move “away from” anyone. Rather we are moving “towards” ourselves."

I wonder if all the Scottish Unionists on this forum look at Midlander's posts and agree with him, or can they simply not bring themselves to argue with a fellow NO man?
How Scotland has been insulting and patronising the rUK for years is beyond me, or at least any more insulting and patronising than England has been to Scotland!

A quote from Andrew Wilson in Scotland on Sunday (a Unionist rag) seems apt on this occasion....
"What England needs to hear is the truth. And that truth is that this vote is not about them or our attitude to them. It is about us and our attitude to ourselves. In psychological terms we are not seeking to move “away from” anyone. Rather we are moving “towards” ourselves."

But that is not the message we are getting. iScotland supporters moan that the no campaign is negative, but in fact they are just as bad as they constantly witter about escaping Westminster's yoke. It is tedious.

I wonder if all the Scottish Unionists on this forum look at Midlander's posts and agree with him, or can they simply not bring themselves to argue with a fellow NO man?
How Scotland has been insulting and patronising the rUK for years is beyond me, or at least any more insulting and patronising than England has been to Scotland!

A quote from Andrew Wilson in Scotland on Sunday (a Unionist rag) seems apt on this occasion....
"What England needs to hear is the truth. And that truth is that this vote is not about them or our attitude to them. It is about us and our attitude to ourselves. In psychological terms we are not seeking to move “away from” anyone. Rather we are moving “towards” ourselves."

There does seem to be a awful lot of anti English rhetoric. Veiled admittedly, but it's there.

We are 'separating' from England as the Unionist politicians like to put it. how on earth would it be possible for nobody to claim there was some anti-English element? Simply impossible!

There are incessant comparisons about anything and everything with the corresponding state of affairs in RUK or England. Examples:

Child poverty, crime, the economy, higher education, the environment, social equality, social awareness, Conservative voting trends, the electoral system and so on and so on. Everything is claimed to be better in Scotland than in RUK and it comes across as incredibly condescending.

I've seen too many SNP supporters driven by something more sinister. You only have to look at the ramblings of Maths Tutor to see that.

It's the down side of identity politics. If you ain't one of is, you're one of them. That's we the fruit loons like settler watch come out to play.

And EVERY argument from Unionist politicians is comparing how we are better together and would be worse off independent.
It comes across as incredibly condescending!

Maybe if you open your eyes you will see there are two sides to this debate.