Is Scottish independence a 'good or bad' thing?

I'd imagine several do vote SNP, but of the people I know personally involved in these campaigns more are likely to support parties like the Greens or the Scottish Socialist.

The Yes campaign also has strong local level support, because well. SNP (and the bulk of Yes support) is at the local levels.

When you hold a minority political opinion, you have no other option but to congregate together locally.

basically 'grassroots' is a bit of a nebulous term without any real meaning. Does my local gardening or cycling club (that participates in activities relevant to their interests which could be constituted as politics, constitute 'grassroots'?

So a very small proportion of the population?

Not having a go at people for following those groups, but they lack significant levels of support.

I'd imagine several do vote SNP, but of the people I know personally involved in these campaigns more are likely to support parties like the Greens or the Scottish Socialist.

The Greens have 2 MSPs, the socialists have none. To pretend that they are the ones pulling the strings behind the scenes of the Yes campaign is laughable. The white paper itself is a list of election promises from the SNP. This is Alex Salmond's ego trip, simple as.

I'm not suggesting they're the ones orchestrating the high level campaign, but on a local level it is much less of an SNP endeavour.

A small proportion of the overall population, yeah, but they seem to make up a disproportionate amount of the actual campaigning population.

It's a fair point that the Yes side does need to campaign much more than the No campaign - it's a seriously uphill struggle - but I suspect it's this attitude which has led to narrowing of the polls over the last year.

No, no, no!

Stop lying to yourself. They come north, make an announcement and run!

The changes you talk about have nothing to do with the changes that doctor is talking about!

Alex Salmond disagrees with you btw. Look at that English audience stamping their feet in applause with him too!

What grass roots movement? A few low level fringe organisations under the dominate SNP banner? That grass roots movement?

There is a huge number of independently run yes campaign groups. I am signed up to my home towns one that is run by my childhood primary school teacher. I am also signed up to the yes campaign for the city I live in and for regularly get news from different yes campaigns all oveT the country. They raise their own cash ad do their own thing.

There is thousands of yes campaign volunteers so if that is not a grass roots movement I don't know what is. I have yet to see a better together stall, I have seen loads of yes. Apparently better together can't get the volunteers they need.

There is a huge number of independently run yes campaign groups. I am signed up to my home towns one that is run by my childhood primary school teacher. I am also signed up to the yes campaign for the city I live in and for regularly get news from different yes campaigns all oveT the country. They raise their own cash ad do their own thing.

There is thousands of yes campaign volunteers so if that is not a grass roots movement I don't know what is. I have yet to see a better together stall, I have seen loads of yes. Apparently better together can't get the volunteers they need.

I have had BT leaflets put through my door more than once. Nothing from Yes campaigners. Do you live in the central belt?


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There's a huge number of organisations being run by the SNP to give the impression of a ground swell in support. Try reading up in some marketing. They're operating along Kotlers concept of on line social media campaigning.

That's what happens when you keep things on social media. A dozen or so people lacking the ability to socially interact with other people can give the impression of a lot of support by giving multiple likes on Facebook pages.

How many other social media threads do you haunt? I'm hazarding at least half a dozen and wouldn't be surprised if you have multiple on line personas.

Do you know if Swinney has republished the oil production figures yet? It's almost like he doesn't want to.

First they ignore you, then they laugh, then they fight and then you win...seems like you are going back to the ignore phase again.

Better together will lose this due to complacency at this rate!

In other news: a better together coordinator for lothian has switched to labour for independence because and I quote he "realised over the past 6 months we are not better together".

First they ignore you, then they laugh, then they fight and then you win...seems like you are going back to the ignore phase again.

Better together will lose this due to complacency at this rate!

In other news: a better together coordinator for lothian has switched to labour for independence because and I quote he "realised over the past 6 months we are not better together".

I don't live in the central belt no. I didn't even mention leaflets, I'm talking stalls. Yes scotland have stalls in every city and most big towns every single week now. In fact If you look at pictures posted up some have two or three different yes groups out on the same day.

I have came to a realisation in regards to this thread. The main opposition here to independence does seem to be midlander and maturestudent.

I have to say that only one of you is doing the no campaign any credit.

No prizes for guessing, maturestudent has went from someone who had points in his arguments 2 months ago to someone who is simply ignorant, twisted and bitter. He is sounding more and more SNP obsessed, the reason why labour lost the last election and continue to have less support is this same obsession. Its embarassing.

Midlander I feel for you...there are a few eejits for yes on this thread but on the whole I read pretty detailed and compelling arguments. Your only aid is mature "I only think about the SNP" student.

I don't care. All it would mean is our flag would look weird without the blue.